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'A Hole in the World'


The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Betsy HP - Oct 09, 2004 5:29:41 pm PDT #7149 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

God, no. I never drink coffee.

I'm going to do my best. But I am not going to pull all-nighters, because my writing sucks during all-nighters.


Beverly - Oct 09, 2004 6:06:17 pm PDT #7150 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Betsy, I haven't addressed your dilemna because...I have no real frame of reference. I can free write, but it's tripe. I am constitutionally incapable of writing to spec under pressure. I would be horribly miserable, and I can't think of a reason I'd agree to do that to myself, unless it was, um, to save the life of a loved one? Or a puppy?

"Write 4,000 words in 48 hours or the puppy gets it!" Yes, I'd do it then. But not voluntarily. So all I can do is wave pompoms and cheer you on.


Allyson - Oct 09, 2004 6:16:48 pm PDT #7151 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I can't write fiction. At all. Betsy is like a superhero.


Betsy HP - Oct 09, 2004 6:20:17 pm PDT #7152 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

A superhero who sucks. Superman sprawled flat against the side of a building.


Allyson - Oct 09, 2004 6:21:43 pm PDT #7153 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I think you should write about a superhero who sucks. Because that, my friend, is a funny visual.


Betsy HP - Oct 09, 2004 6:26:21 pm PDT #7154 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

You may have wondered why, as the song has it, Captain Marvel has no balls at all. It's Superman's fault.


deborah grabien - Oct 09, 2004 9:48:04 pm PDT #7155 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

100,000, to me, isn't a novel. It's damned near an epic.

Plainsong was 70,000 words. Weaver was 68,500. Famous Flower is 76,000. Matty Groves clocks in at, for me, a whopping 85,000 or so.

Non-fiction is entirely different.

I have no comment on the "turn of the critical thing and write" because that's basically where I live anyway, mostly. I think I do, anyway. I could be wrong.

I don't suck. I doubt Betsy sucks. In fact, I know Betsy doesn't suck.

Not sure why speed is so valued.


Allyson - Oct 09, 2004 11:12:00 pm PDT #7156 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

What is different about non-fiction, word count-wise?


Amy - Oct 10, 2004 4:33:19 am PDT #7157 of 10001
Because books.

Not sure why speed is so valued.

I think it's for those who fear they'll never finish a book. It's not the speed so much as the time-compressed, "get it all done in one shot" idea. The theory being, I guess, that then you have a complete book to work with, to revise and polish, rather than worrying you'll never type "the end". There's a similar process called Book in a Week that I read about in RWA's magazine a few years ago.

What is different about non-fiction, word count-wise?

Word counts often have to do with price points, especially with paperback originals. If a publisher wants all of its historical romances to sell (this year) for $6.99, they want them all to be about the same length, partly for the consumer, who doesn't want to feel ripped off for buying a 50,000-word book at that price, and partly to budget the production costs (printing, etc.). For hardcover, one-shot books (in that they're all unique, not that the author will only ever write one book), the price point can be whatever is called for.

There are plenty of lengthy nonfiction books, and plenty of pretty short novels. For a nonfiction book like yours, Allyson, I'd think anything over 50,000 words would be fine.


Betsy HP - Oct 10, 2004 6:49:07 am PDT #7158 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I think it's for those who fear they'll never finish a book. It's not the speed so much as the time-compressed, "get it all done in one shot" idea.

Exactly. Precisely what AmyLiz said. And the other half of the theory is that the time deadline means you CAN'T ruminate.