Gunn: You saying popping mama threw you a beating? Lorne: Kid Vicious did the heavy lifting. Cordy just mwah-ha-ha'd at us.

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A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 01, 2004 11:53:28 am PDT #6938 of 10001
What is even happening?

My small group said that, too -- what was that one thing I couldn't change? Mostly, I don't know how to say it the way I want, to say it without damning him, or making excuses for him (or for me, for that matter), or coming across as a cliche.

I'm fairly certain you've told me about this, and actually, I feel it more when it is unstated--the way you have it--Teppy. It's more universal, that way.

(Like everyone else, I saw "Garden State" in your LJ, and figured it was a post about a movie I haven't heard of, never mind seen).

This is a powerful piece.


deborah grabien - Oct 01, 2004 12:07:23 pm PDT #6939 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Cindy said what I was going to say: I don't want it articulated. There's no need for me to have it all. Let me wonder; let me see where my own senses take it.


Deena - Oct 01, 2004 12:10:29 pm PDT #6940 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

since I was ultimately inadequate in the one way that I could never, ever, change.

This is so final, and I think human beings like to fix things, or at least be able to say, "it's not so bad"... I'm wondering though, if Cindy's not right. Though it seems like every time I tell someone something that I thought was peculiar to me, it's so common as to be close to universal, and might make it more specific, and details give things weight.

So, if Cindy is right, and it would be better not to be specific, is there a way to word it so the truth of it is just as gut-wrenching, but the specific thing isn't revealed?

"Since I discovered I was ultimately inadequate on the day he walked out the door..." or something like that, some detail of space or place, rather than unacceptable idiosyncracy.

You said you didn't intend to convey longing. Was there an emotion you did intend to convey?


Topic!Cindy - Oct 01, 2004 12:34:17 pm PDT #6941 of 10001
What is even happening?

Cindy said what I was going to say: I don't want it articulated. There's no need for me to have it all. Let me wonder; let me see where my own senses take it.

Yes. Also? My speculation is the group thought they were asking about that as writers, but were really asking as readers (they were being nosy, but I don't mean that in an unkind way, it means you grabbed them, Tep).

Teppy, this is where you convey the longing:

I want that, and I haven't felt like that with anyone for a long time. Romantically, I mean, which is a whole different level, a whole different type of feeling like home, than there is with friendship.

But don't take it out.

You asked about the flow and transitions. I think they're fine as is. If I was going to futz with this piece, at all (and I'm not sure you should), I'd lose the bold font (might replace it with italics, I'm not sure), and I might mess around a tiny bit, with the first two paragraphs. The only reason I'm mentioning that, is that so many of us skipped over it, because we thought it was going to be about Garden State.

Maybe instead of:

Only one scene in Garden State made me cry. As the movie is nearing the end, when Andrew and Sam are sitting in the bathtub where his mother died, Andrew tells Sam, "When I'm with you I feel safe...like I'm home."

I want that, and I haven't felt like that with anyone for a long time. Romantically, I mean, which is a whole different level, a whole different type of feeling like home, than there is with friendship. But on this romantic level, there's really only been one person in my life who's been home to me.

It could be along the lines of:

I want something. When I let myself recognize it, it calls to mind [ note: I'm being clunky--I don't have your voice], a scene from Garden State, the only one which made me cry. As the movie is nearing the end, when Andrew and Sam are sitting in the bathtub where his mother died, Andrew tells Sam, "When I'm with you I feel safe...like I'm home."

I want that, and I haven't felt like that with anyone for a long time. Romantically, I mean, which is a whole different level, a whole different type of feeling like home, than there is with friendship. But on this romantic level, there's really only been one person in my life who's been home to me.

That said, I don't think you need to do thing one to this.


Polter-Cow - Oct 01, 2004 12:55:54 pm PDT #6942 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

(Like everyone else, I saw "Garden State" in your LJ, and figured it was a post about a movie I haven't heard of, never mind seen).

You hadn't even heard of Garden State ? Cindy, you're not sitting well with me this week. But you're still a cutie.

The music in my head during the piece was the music coming out of the computer, "The Perfect Fit" by the Dresden Dolls, and it's ridiculously appropriate.

The word in my head wasn't "longing" but "wistful." It's a great piece, Tep. It flows really well. The only thing that took me out for a second was the use of the phrase "the hell out of it." It felt like a break in the tone.

I may be biased since I've seen and loved the movie, but I don't think you need to change the opening, depending on what you're doing with it. The Garden State reference lasts for all of a sentence, and it's clear by the next paragraph it's about you and not the movie.


erikaj - Oct 01, 2004 4:00:10 pm PDT #6943 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Why can't my muse give me a story in order? It's always like a Cordy vision, minus pain and puking, mind you.And I've nsm got an internal Wesley(hmm, that sounds dirty...) to help me connect the dots. What I have is brain damage and tense issues.And a whodunnit overwhelmed with flashbacks and stuff...I tell myself it'll fit together later but maybe not.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 02, 2004 3:15:30 am PDT #6944 of 10001
What is even happening?

P-C, I'm still not sure what the heck Shaun of the Dead is.

We make about two non-kid movies a year, these days, and maybe two kid movies. They're so expensive, and we need a babysitter. Frankly, we'd rather go out to dinner together, than the movies (most of which, imo, are not worth the price of admission). We rent 'em, later. That way, when we invariably fall asleep during them, we can watch the end later, without paying again. *g*

t /shakes cane


Polter-Cow - Oct 02, 2004 5:21:41 am PDT #6945 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

P-C, I'm still not sure what the heck Shaun of the Dead is.

It's a romantic comedy. With zombies.


erikaj - Oct 02, 2004 10:06:07 am PDT #6946 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Aren't they all?


Susan W. - Oct 03, 2004 4:04:01 pm PDT #6947 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

So. Writers conference. I'll talk about some of the workshops I attended, and then go back to the editor/agent panel and my editor and agent appointments, since the former is just useful and interesting info, while the latter is all about angst and choices and Where I Want My Career to Go, despite the fact I don't technically have a career just yet.

Oh, first a really random comment--I'm feeling a lot prettier than I did 72 hours ago. One person I met commented that she was remembering my name by associating it with "great hair and cool glasses." And someone else commented I looked way too young to have a baby--they'd had me pegged as early 20's. I'm 33.

OK, interesting tidbits from workshops:

1. If you're busy with life stuff, commit to a minimum of 15 minutes a day with butt in chair, writing. You'll be surprised how much you get done, because you'll be anticipating that 15 minutes all day.

2. I went to a workshop using psychological and theatrical techniques for getting to know your characters. I did all the exercises as Jack, because I realized he really was a bit of a Marty Stu. Not anymore. Now I'm not sure what to do with his newly discovered dark side, even though he's still far from being a particularly dark or angst-filled character.

3. Presenter at workshop on writing sex scenes also has Southern Baptist Southerners in her family. She told me I basically have to give myself permission to risk offending them, but from her own experience they probably won't freak out as much as I expect.

4. Nice workshop on promotion. I'm already plotting where I could do booksignings and who I could finagle to show up in each city.

Editor/agent stuff in next post, because, let's face it, that's the big stuff.