(Um, that was a big old crossy crosspost, BTW.)
Early: So is it still her room when it's empty? Does the room, the thing, have purpose? Or do we -- what's the word? Simon: I really can't help you. Early: The plan is to take your sister. Get the reward, which is substantial. 'Imbue.' That's the word.
'Objects In Space'
The Great Write Way
A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.
Susan W. - Sep 16, 2004 1:55:51 pm PDT #6655 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
§ ita § - Sep 16, 2004 1:59:26 pm PDT #6656 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I missed that subtext, deb. I'm not quite sure if Nutty cares if you like analysis or not, and she didn't seem to be trying to change your opinion on the matter. Just that when you call arrogant something close to her heart and mind, it stings.
Which is perfectly normal, isn't it?
deborah grabien - Sep 16, 2004 2:03:03 pm PDT #6657 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.
Subtext?
OK, I really do apparently speak an entirely different language.
Which confirms me in the belief that I don't belojng here.
§ ita § - Sep 16, 2004 2:04:04 pm PDT #6658 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I didn't see Nutty try and change your mind about analysis, Deb, but I'll reread to doublecheck.
I saw her defend her POV, and explain her emotional reaction to yours.
Astarte - Sep 16, 2004 2:05:04 pm PDT #6659 of 10001
Not having has never been the thing I've regretted most in my life. Not trying is.
Admittedly it is a fine line, but what author's work were we discussing here? My skim of the discussion was not a dissection of a work offered up for beta, but a meta discussion of HOW we should or should not discuss.
Yvonne Navarro's rant in a blog is the initial discussion point, right? It started off about reviews on Amazon and then went on to reviews more generally. What was seen as useful or not, and repeated iterations of different takes on that, with acompanying hardening feelings.
It's possible I misunderstood, but I don't particularly care for being told I'm being arrogant by having a preference for what I find useful in discussing writing either as a writer or a reader. And that is the impression I got from what I read.
Allyson - Sep 16, 2004 2:06:33 pm PDT #6660 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
I guess I don't really understand what analysis is. When I get feedback, isn't that analysis? Nutty or Jessica or ita, can you give me a simple explanation of what analysis is?
Connie Neil - Sep 16, 2004 2:08:10 pm PDT #6661 of 10001
brillig
Thank you, deb, I was thinking that's where you working from, ie, a one-on-one connection with the creator, so as to avoid any guesswork.
Susan, that reminds me of a thought. Is "cock" a Britishism and "dick" an Americanism?
(oh, the questions I never thought I'd ask)
Astarte - Sep 16, 2004 2:08:36 pm PDT #6662 of 10001
Not having has never been the thing I've regretted most in my life. Not trying is.
And, though Deb didn't set out to speak for me, she actually does pretty well.
Susan W. - Sep 16, 2004 2:10:32 pm PDT #6663 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
Hmm, I dunno. It wouldn't surprise me, since "dick" seems like the default American term. I like "cock" better, though. Just has a nicer sound to it.
t somewhere in Alabama, a Baptist grandmother is spinning in her grave
§ ita § - Sep 16, 2004 2:12:33 pm PDT #6664 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't particularly care for being told I'm being arrogant by having a preference for what I find useful in discussing writing either as a writer or a reader.
Ro, the "arrogant" was applying to those supposed educators who present my-way-or-the-highway analysis. Nutty felt that all analysis was being tarred that way, not just the arrogant analysis.
No one called Deb arrogant, as far as my reread showed, and no one called non-litcritters in general arrogant either.