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'Objects In Space'


The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


erikaj - Jul 15, 2004 7:06:20 am PDT #5726 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I've had people tell me my style is completely different in longhand, Connie. But I was slow to learn to write intelligible letters. Thanks, everyone. But I'm only as good as my next project. I think I mostly prefer magical realism, as far as I understand it. Or anyway, vastly prefer Esquivel and Hoffman to Tolkien and such.


§ ita § - Jul 15, 2004 7:08:15 am PDT #5727 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Not saying it can't apply, but stating loud and clear that it doesn't always.

You did notice where I said "other times" in the sentence, right? I said absolutely NOTHING about always. In fact, I stated the opposite.


deborah grabien - Jul 15, 2004 7:14:12 am PDT #5728 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I said absolutely NOTHING about always. In fact, I stated the opposite.

Actually, I didn't (edit: parse the sentence that way). Good point-out, and yes, you're right. It still reads a bit oddly to me, that sentence, but that's me readig it, not you writing it. Sorry.

I remember the entire scifi/fantasy community being outraged because Margaret Attwood asked them not to nominate her for (I think) a Hugo for Handmaid's Tale. It didn't fit her definition of science fiction or fantasy; in her eyes, she'd written a morality tale, a fable about what would inevitably happen if this country continued down a particular path. In her head, she'd written a novel, period. She didn't want ti categorised, because breaking the stuff down meant that something she considered important to a broad range would get shelved in a section where a lot of her potential readers would never think to look.

So she asked them to not. And the community went ballistic. She's such a snob! She's one of those Look Down Her Nose types! The furor was nuts. Science fiction writers were outraged.

I thought it was ridiculous. I had a book or two killed because it didn't fit the straight definitions of any one genre, and no one has shelves anymore that simply say "fiction".


Hil R. - Jul 15, 2004 7:14:21 am PDT #5729 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I've found that, while writing something like an term paper that I have to keep organized, I do better with a longhand outline and then typing on the computer. For almost anything where I need to let loose a little more and just let the ideas get from brain to paper, I do much better writing in out longhand, and then editing while typing. I can't be too creative while I'm typing, because seeing the words typed out makes them actual words, and they seem too set and final, and I end up spending way too much time figuring out if the next thing I want to write goes with or contradicts the last thing I wrote. When I'm writing out longhand, everything is just scribbles, and if I want to change something, my brain doesn't object.


Connie Neil - Jul 15, 2004 7:20:32 am PDT #5730 of 10001
brillig

I've had people tell me my style is completely different in longhand, Connie

I've noticed hte same thing myself. In the psychic space where my writing takes place, the handwritten letters themselves form a visual image of the scene, as if I'm drawing pictures as well as writing words. It's ... closer, somehow, to what I'm seeing in my head.

Long things seem to demand a lot of handwritten time. I *can* produce on screen, thank god, but whenever there's stalling I have to go to the pen. Thankfully, the stories that appear full-formed from the brow of Zeus don't care how they're produced. They're not going anywhere.


Polter-Cow - Jul 15, 2004 7:21:15 am PDT #5731 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

no one has shelves anymore that simply say "fiction".

Uh, this is untrue. But your bookstore may vary.


deborah grabien - Jul 15, 2004 7:23:52 am PDT #5732 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

P-C, the local biggies no longer do, except tucked away in a corner. Now it's "Best Sellers".

I am not making this up.


P.M. Marc - Jul 15, 2004 7:24:56 am PDT #5733 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

The largest section of fiction at my local B&N just says "fiction".

It's as large as the entire genre ghetto.

I pass it on my way to the Graphic Novels section.

Yargh. Anyone have any suggestions for getting past the "fire bad, tree pretty" writing stage? As in, my usual flow is... not. I put hands to key, or pen to page, and come up with such stirring lines as "See Dick. See Dick run. Run Dick, run! See Jane, see Jane write. See Jane frown. See Jane crumple the page up in disgust and curl up in fetal position while she weeps in frustration. See Jane offer sacrifices to the powers that be. See Jane scream. Scream, Jane scream."

Okay, I may be projecting a bit onto Jane there...


§ ita § - Jul 15, 2004 7:26:06 am PDT #5734 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You have made Jane's torment very real, though, if that's any consolation.


Connie Neil - Jul 15, 2004 7:26:23 am PDT #5735 of 10001
brillig

because seeing the words typed out makes them actual words, and they seem too set and final,

Yes! My god, the mental furor in my head when I first printed out one of my stories. There it was. In Times New Roman. Like a real book or something. The characters had a totally different feel in my head to see their names in typeface rather than in their usual scrawl, like a signature. But in the end I realized it was the most important step, making them independent to stand on their own merits, rather than keeping them, despite their individuality, simply facets of my own psyche.