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The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Susan W. - Jul 09, 2004 7:02:12 am PDT #5619 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Here's a question for the more experienced writers: So I've got the Lucy manuscript fairly polished, and I'd like to start shopping it around to agents in earnest. But I've also been re-reading the 14,000 words or so I've got written in Anna so far, and you know what? It's much, MUCH better. Oh, it's got all kinds of first draft rough edges--a giant backstory infodump here, a scene that reads a little rambly there--but the plot is stronger, my voice is surer, it reads more smoothly, the whole nine yards.

So, given that I already know I'm capable of writing a better book than Lucy, is it in my best interest to shop it around? I really want to, but I think a big part of that is just my eagerness to feel like I'm taking the next steps.


deborah grabien - Jul 09, 2004 7:49:44 am PDT #5620 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Hmmmm. Good question. My gut take would be to query some agents with synopses of both books; if they ask for a partial, you can can then tell them that "Anna" is, in your opinion, the stronger book.

Alternately, you can simply query on "Anna", and tell a responding agent that this is the second book in the series.

Am I making sense here? It's a bad morning healthwise and I'm a little groggy.


Susan W. - Jul 09, 2004 8:02:54 am PDT #5621 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Well, I can't query on Anna until I've finished it, right? Not as an unpublished writer.


deborah grabien - Jul 09, 2004 8:25:04 am PDT #5622 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

True - I forgot, you aren't editing, you're in write mode. Truth to tell, then I'd probably wait, if you feel Anna has the better chance of pinging interest.


Susan W. - Jul 09, 2004 10:05:10 am PDT #5623 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

That may be smarter, but I'm just chafing to have something out there, you know? Finishing Anna is months away, at minimum. And for all I know, I'm being too hard on Lucy. I mean, my third book will probably be better than Anna, and I've certainly seen worse books than Lucy get published.


Susan W. - Jul 09, 2004 10:19:54 am PDT #5624 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Upon further reflection, AmyLiz has Lucy now, and expects to have time to read it within the next month or so. Since she knows her stuff and is a fresh set of eyes, I think I'll wait and see what she thinks, and also what kind of feedback I get from the contests I entered it in back in June. That might give me an idea whether or not the glaring flaws I'm seeing are just from having spent so much time on it that I'm nitpicking.


Amy - Jul 09, 2004 1:08:14 pm PDT #5625 of 10001
Because books.

Susan -- Just peeking in because I'm still unpacking and dealing with a looming deadline, but I saw your posts, and wanted to chime in. Everyone (hopefully) gets better as they go along, but by no means does it mean Book #1 sucks. And from what I've seen of Lucy (just that first chapter, so far) it definitely doesn't. Edited to add that that sounded like damning with faint praise, and what I should have said was: What I read of Lucy so far was charming, atmospheric, and very smoothly written. I think most of us also see the glaring flaws in our own work much more easily than others do, because we're always much harder on ourselves. So what you might see as a flaw (because you know you could have/want to have done it better) someone else might not notice at all.

Plus, I'm of the mind that you have this done and ready to go, and while you wait for feedback from whatever source -- which, as you know, can take a while in coming -- you can keep writing Anna. Then if someone's really interested in you as a writer, rather than just in that book (which happens very frequently in romance, because everyone wants to "grow" authors as a brand) you can say, "Hey, I have another book X amount of pages from completion."


Susan W. - Jul 09, 2004 3:45:12 pm PDT #5626 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Amy--thanks! I'll be interested to see what you think when you've read the whole thing, because most of the flaws I see don't show up until later chapters.

In any case, I've decided to wait a few weeks before submitting it, because I realized I was so antsy because if I shipped Lucy out, I could feel like I was doing something productive even if I wasn't working on Anna or publicizing my freelancing. So, if the feedback I get from you and the contests convince me it's worth going forward, I'm going to send it out as a reward to myself after I've written another 10,000 words of Anna and advertise my freelancing in at least three more places.


victor infante - Jul 11, 2004 10:39:10 am PDT #5627 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Who knows anything about fashion designers?

For example, if a wealthy-but-stylish character had a thing for wearing black dresses with pink trim, who would she be wearing?

Damn, I don't even know enough to know how to ask this question.

All advice appreciated.


erikaj - Jul 11, 2004 10:43:56 am PDT #5628 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Um, Chanel? (I'm kind of a fashion idiot, though. Hippie mamas don't pass on much in the way of couture. If anyone else answers, take theirs.)