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The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Jan 24, 2003 4:54:12 am PST #522 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Yes, it makes a lot of sense. It's just very different to the way I work- which is part of why I'm intrested.


Theodosia - Jan 24, 2003 5:44:45 am PST #523 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Thank goodness there is not One True Way How To Write, only a myriad of ways that work better or worse for individuals. I personally was much comforted by finding out that Chip Delany says he spends 2-3 times as much time self-editing as he does writing. He can easily spend an hour working on a single page.

Often times, I'll print out a hard copy of a double-spaced first draft, get me a big ol' red pen and go to town on it in a big comfy chair. Then I'll type the whole thing in fresh. There's also the "remove five words from every big paragraph" game. You'd be surprised how many excess words there are when you start looking for them.


Anne W. - Jan 24, 2003 5:58:35 am PST #524 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Often times, I'll print out a hard copy of a double-spaced first draft, get me a big ol' red pen and go to town on it in a big comfy chair.

I do much the same thing. For some reason, it's easier for me to read my own writing on paper than on screen.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Jan 24, 2003 6:04:38 am PST #525 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Often times, I'll print out a hard copy of a double-spaced first draft, get me a big ol' red pen and go to town on it in a big comfy chair.

I've tried to do the same thing, but I tend to end up sitting there aruging with myself: do you really need that word?
Yes, I do.
No, I don't.
Yes, it does such-and-such.
But does that need doing...
and so on.

Eventually I get bored, because while there are mistakes that I can fix on a second read or when someone points them out, there aren't that many.


Theodosia - Jan 24, 2003 6:05:16 am PST #526 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

That's when printing out in big fat Courier font really makes sense -- more room for editing marks.


Connie Neil - Jan 24, 2003 11:07:12 am PST #527 of 10001
brillig

Heck, I might as well admit it. I do very little editing once it's down on paper/electrons. Sometimes a sentence trips my eye, and that tells me the thing needs to be worked on, or I realize--or someone points out!--that who's doing what is unclear. I will write down outlines for future scenes or a plot point that will springboard me into the rest of the story, but generally I just pour the elements I'm trying to work on into the big blender in my head and let everything settle out. I'll peek in every now and then to see how the brewing is going, try to answer any questions they have, or fine tune some choreography (sounds like Moulin Rouge going on up there), but once it's written I do little fiddling.

On the flipside, I have a piece I've written several years ago, and it's getting massive rewrites as I transcribe it into the computer. But that piece is dealing with a lot of mental angst and character development that's going in ugly places, and I wasn't near as comfortable with it back then. Thank you, Buffy, you've taught me how to torture my characters in new and more interesting ways.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Jan 24, 2003 11:11:27 am PST #528 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

I do very little editing once it's down on paper/electrons.

We have a lot in common. I find that only things I've started writing before they're ready need much editing. In some ways, it's a very stress-free way to work (for me, anyway).


Theodosia - Jan 24, 2003 11:14:02 am PST #529 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Some people write tighter first drafts than others, which is damn annoying to those of us who don't. :-) Me, I've concluded that I'm better off to write a first draft as fast and sloppily as I can, because I lose story-momentum if I stop and dither over word choice (for instance). I can go put my hair up in a bun, put on all black clothing and become Editor-Woman later on, chipping away the verbiage until I have a story-shaped object.


Connie Neil - Jan 24, 2003 11:16:46 am PST #530 of 10001
brillig

My first draft is more me muttering about character motivation while I drive home. "No, no, there's no good reason for him to be there, why the hell would he walk into the lair of someone who hates him? And dammit, I wanted to kill her off, but it just doesn't make sense!"

That's where it's pulling nails, when I'm trying to work out why the hell they're doing things.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Jan 24, 2003 11:18:14 am PST #531 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Everyone has to find thier own right ways to write. (I'm sure that could be carefully crafted in a terrible pun, but I can't be bothered.) It's as individual as your writing style, and it (sadly) means that swapping tips about method rarely works as well as you feel it should.