Jayne (Husband): Oh, I think you might wanna reconsider that last part. See, I married me a powerful ugly creature. Mal (Wife): How can you say that? How can you shame me in front of new people? Jayne (Husband): If I could make you purtier, I would. Mal (Wife): You are not the man I met a year ago.

'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


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A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Susan W. - Jan 17, 2003 11:49:57 pm PST #434 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

IMO, as long as the cleverness serves the story--i.e. drives the plot, characters, mood, and/or setting--you're fine. I only mind clever if I think the only reason the author is doing it is to show off.

Subjective, I know, but you'd probably be able to recognize it if you gave the section a rest before you read it again and come to it fresh.


Steph L. - Jan 18, 2003 12:09:14 am PST #435 of 10001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

(ask Teppy about my faux-James Joycean "Rain was general over Sunnydale" some time). I thought it was clever. Not everyone's going to get everything.

The fact that I didn't catch that ref was MY issue, not yours, sweetie.


Rebecca Lizard - Jan 18, 2003 1:35:10 pm PST #436 of 10001
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

I drop strange references into stuff all the time (ask Teppy about my faux-James Joycean "Rain was general over Sunnydale" some time).

But hadn't you not actually either read "The Dead" at this point? Or I could be getting my Bitch canon mixed up


Connie Neil - Jan 19, 2003 2:08:40 am PST #437 of 10001
brillig

I'm provincially pleased at having not actually read any Joyce, though I've seen many references to the man and his works. It's an atavistic (and admittedly silly) reaction to prose (at least in "Ulysses") that goes out of its way to be obscure.


Rebecca Lizard - Jan 19, 2003 8:31:14 am PST #438 of 10001
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

But you go out of *your* way (using a construction that isn't at all or very standard in modern American English) to reference him.

Why?

And, oh, you really ought to read "The Dead". It isn't obscure at all, I don't think. It's a little experimental but only in the most meta and formal stylistic of ways.


victor infante - Jan 19, 2003 8:44:35 am PST #439 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

And, oh, you really ought to read "The Dead". It isn't obscure at all, I don't think. It's a little experimental but only in the most meta and formal stylistic of ways.

"Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man" has some interesting stylistic things going on, but isn't exactly what I'd call "opaque," either.


Connie Neil - Jan 19, 2003 4:37:06 pm PST #440 of 10001
brillig

I have the dilletante's knowledge of literature. I'm familiar with the really identifiable lines from a lot of works--plus, I have a lovely dictionary of quotations that lets me look well-read while not making me have to take time from scanning for Xander/Spike slash.

I accept the challenge to actually read something by James Joyce. I need to go back to the library anyway, since I've finished "The Princess Diaries" again. Hey, she likes Buffy, she can't be all bad.


Rebecca Lizard - Jan 19, 2003 4:39:43 pm PST #441 of 10001
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

t shakes


Connie Neil - Jan 19, 2003 4:40:35 pm PST #442 of 10001
brillig

It's OK, Lizard, I'll keep my disappointing tastes in popular literature far away.


Rebecca Lizard - Jan 19, 2003 4:41:37 pm PST #443 of 10001
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

Oh, also, poemity.