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deborah grabien - Oct 28, 2003 7:44:45 am PST #2444 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I think he'll improve; the story is a good one. He's just in his late fifties and this is his first try. He's a sweetie and takes correction and editing very well, so far.

In the meanwhile....

Two-book deal ("Famous Flower of Serving Men" and "Matty Groves") being hammered out as we speak.

Small money, which I expected in this economy; I'd like slightly more than they're offering, but it sure as hell isn't a deal-breaker.

Problem: the two-book deal would be done with joint accounting. Basically, that means having to earn back the advance on BOTH books before I saw a penny in royalties. And since they'd likely be bringing these out a year apart, in 2004 and 2005, it would probably be 2007 before I saw a penny in royalties.

Which smells really kinda, well, pissant, for a book deal this small. If we were talking six figures, that would be one thing. But shit, not for a measly $12K.


Betsy HP - Oct 28, 2003 7:52:13 am PST #2445 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

That's nasty, Deb. Is it non-negotiable?

I'm editing the work of one of our two newest writing group members.

It's awful.

Damn. I shouldn't have missed last week, should I? @#$@#$ migraine.


Lyra Jane - Oct 28, 2003 7:53:55 am PST #2446 of 10001
Up with the sun

Eek, Deb. So basically you get $12k now, and then nothing for three years, and quite possibly nothng then? For two books?

That's robbery. Can you negotiate?


deborah grabien - Oct 28, 2003 7:54:26 am PST #2447 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Betsy, Jenn's negotiating even as we speak; really, just truly pinchy for a deal this size. And I just got a nice warm chatty loving catchup email from Ruth, without a word mentioned about the offer.

Gronk.

Betsy, he'll get better. He understood right away what we were telling him, and I'm being ruthless in my line edit, though I'll attach it to a very warm email about it. He's very sweet.


Theodosia - Oct 28, 2003 8:02:13 am PST #2448 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I'm sure Jenn will fight for the best deal she can get -- since under joint accounting, as an agent she won't get any royalties either until maybe 2007. This is definitely the time when having an agent with a financial interest in your books is going to justify her commission.


deborah grabien - Oct 28, 2003 8:28:33 am PST #2449 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Totally. I mean, the entire point of taking a smaller advance is that they're out of pocket upfront for less, and you get yours as royalties sooner.

Come onnnnnn, Jenn. I have shitloads to do and Ruth is in her office, and come onnnnnnnn...


erikaj - Oct 28, 2003 8:45:02 am PST #2450 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

best of luck, Deb. I wish I had something useful for you.


Susan W. - Oct 28, 2003 10:00:22 am PST #2451 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Good luck, deb. It really seems like you're asking for something perfectly reasonable, so it should work, but I'm new to this.

And did you find a place to do the reading/signing thing in Seattle yet? IIRC, B&N didn't work out.


deborah grabien - Oct 28, 2003 10:11:26 am PST #2452 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Susan, we're still waiting on B&N Seattle; they have a policy of not scheduling events between Thanksgiving and Christmas generally, but Rachel is letting them know that Seattle would bring in a bunch of people, so we'll wait and see.

If not, we'll try for a Borders reading.


Susan W. - Oct 28, 2003 10:12:19 am PST #2453 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

There's also Third Place Books and the University Bookstore....