Spike? It's you. It's really you! My therapist thought I was holding on to false hope, but…I knew you'd come back. You're like…you're like Gandalf the White, resurrected from the pit of the Balrog, more beautiful than ever. Oh…he's alive Frodo. He's alive.

Andrew ,'Damage'


The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


erikaj - Sep 14, 2003 8:35:30 am PDT #1918 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I've got lots of page ones, but that doesn't count.


Beverly - Sep 14, 2003 4:44:32 pm PDT #1919 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Sean, to answer your question, I don't believe anyone has been comfortable posting original fiction onthread. Email to those interested is a more circumspect way to go. This way you won't end up at a writers' conference a year down the road with someone handing out their pages with your words on them, as someone who posts here tells us has happened.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Sep 14, 2003 9:33:56 pm PDT #1920 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

your subconscious has a point that if you faithfully wrote 100 words a night, you'd have a novel-length manuscript in less than two years.

Which is a thing well worth remembering, I think-- if only because it makes the task sound manageable!

a purely successful drabble, which stands alone has a more emphatic structure than a drabble which would be a building block in a chapter or novel -- a standalone has to introduce characters, setting, dramatic tension and resolution, whereas a structural drabble has to successfully link up with the dramatic tension and resolution of the previous drabble, and provide hooks that set up the successive drabble

One of my concerns would be linking them; but I think it should be possible to use the drabble structure to make busts of information that, like a mosaic, sort of fit together in the reader's mind to create a story.

You could do a lot worse than approaching 'every hundred words' of your longer stories as drabbles, and subjecting them to the same level of intensive scrutiny and manicuring, judging every word and phrase as to its value to the micro-plot of the immediate dramatic unit, plus its utility to the macro-plot.

It would certainly tighten up the writing. Which needs doing.

It's a lot to juggle... but that's why writing is one of the fine arts, and why you can practice it for the rest of your life and still enjoy it.

Heh. Yeah. Thanks for the thoughts.


victor infante - Sep 14, 2003 10:03:54 pm PDT #1921 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Which is a thing well worth remembering, I think-- if only because it makes the task sound manageable!

That's the way to do it. It's entirely too easy to psyche yourself out of a big work, even when you're doing an equivalent amount of work each day for your own pleasure.

One of the lessons I've learned in my short time writing fic is the value in writing small, just let each piece be self-contained and stand on its own, and just try to build on the last bit you wrote. Don't know if it'll work for anyone else, but ti's serving me well on Nihilist Chic. (Where, in tonight's posting over on LJ, BTW, many characters finally all meet, and there's even quality violence. (:

In other writing thoughts, after the Horror Writers panel last night, I was looking over some of the boks I have on writing horror and fantasy. Oddly, there's not much particular discussion on character, and this disturbs me.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Sep 14, 2003 10:27:04 pm PDT #1922 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

One of the lessons I've learned in my short time writing fic is the value in writing small, just let each piece be self-contained and stand on its own, and just try to build on the last bit you wrote.

I'm definately going to try approaching it this way. I can, after all, write 44K words of fic that way, quite naturally; my old novel writing "one big rush" method doesn't get past 15K mostly, never past 30K.

after the Horror Writers panel last night, I was looking over some of the boks I have on writing horror and fantasy. Oddly, there's not much particular discussion on character, and this disturbs me.

Yeah. Characters are what make any story work. The power of the best fantasy, IMHO, comes from the fact that while we don't recognise the world, we can understand the people. Horror isn't so much my genre, but what I have read leads me to the opinion that truly good horror springs from characters as much as situations.


Theodosia - Sep 15, 2003 3:36:00 am PDT #1923 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

The best book I've come across on characterization is Characters and Viewpoint by Orson Scott Card -- most of the Writer's Digest books I've come across are fuzzy and useless, but that had some crackerjack examples and explanations that really helped me formalize my technique.


deborah grabien - Sep 15, 2003 8:09:43 pm PDT #1924 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Susan, what Betsy said. Why an entire trip to London and parents who have no earthly purpose in the rest of the novel? Lose 'em, I say.

Sean, I'll beta anything you want to send me.

Back from LA and I am going to get no writing done this week. Damnation.


Steph L. - Sep 16, 2003 9:39:27 am PDT #1925 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Okay, I'm a little excited because I actually got some writing done last night.

For the past 2-3 months (probably 3), all I've really done in the way of writing is stream-of-consciousness journal entries. Which I realize are technically writing. But what I mean by "getting some writing done" is writing where I work on something, crafting it to say exactly what I want, in exactly the way I want it to; writing where the craft is as important as the content. And journal entries aren't that.

So I worked on what wants to be a poem. We'll see how it turns out. It may suck, but it's just such a good feeling to sit there and contemplate what verb would be the best in a certain line, you know?


erikaj - Sep 16, 2003 9:48:22 am PDT #1926 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Go, Tep.


deborah grabien - Sep 16, 2003 9:56:30 am PDT #1927 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Go get 'em, Teppy!