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The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Betsy HP - Jul 07, 2003 11:30:17 am PDT #1507 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I think they die. Dissipate. Whatever.

HOWEVER... what if you had one of those crazy Americans who bought the stones and reassembled the house somewhere else? I bet he gets the ghost. The same for a crazy Brit who buys the bricks and paves his courtyard.


deborah grabien - Jul 07, 2003 11:38:49 am PDT #1508 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Betsy, here's the premise.

It would be based on the song "The Boughs of London", in which a nobleman's older daughter becomes engaged to a man her younger sister wants. She lures the older sister for a walk along the Thames and knowing she can't swim, pushes her in and watches her drown. Younger sister then goes home and steals older sister's fiance, who sounds like a total prat, but I didn't write the song, it's 15th century or thereabouts.

Anyway. a wandering musician wanders by and finds all these beautiful bones washed up on the south bank. He makes a harp out of them and strings it and takes it to the house (he's a wandering minstrel or some junk) and plays for the family, but the harp plays its own tune, which is an accusation of murder against the younger sister.

So this one has all the basics for my series: a crime, a haunting, a bckstory I get to rewrite, and I could actually focus on Ringan's house restoration side career.

My thinking is, the house once covered this huge tract of land, and was subdivided in the nineteenth century, and he's being hired privately (as opposed to the National Trust) because someone's bought the empty lot that was once part of the house, and wants to expand his Victorian cottage back onto the property next door. Which is where the ghosts from the song have been lying dormant for five hundred years.

Just beginning to puzzle this one out...


Betsy HP - Jul 07, 2003 11:50:23 am PDT #1509 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Any chance that he's expanding on to the flagstones/cobblestones of an old courtyard? That would work for me. Stone remembers.


§ ita § - Jul 07, 2003 11:54:42 am PDT #1510 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

A relative of mine had his wood flooring shipped in from an old house in the South. If you told me that wood remembered, I'd believe you. It's soft enough to sleep on -- it's obviously already magicked.


victor infante - Jul 07, 2003 12:21:44 pm PDT #1511 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

If you have a haunted house, and the house is torn down, what do you suppose happens to the ghosts?

Quite often, the ghosts remain bound to the land. Take "Poltergeist" or any number of "Indian grave yard" stories, for example.

If I understand the alleged metaphysics, it's not the physical place that holds a spirirt, it's the spirit's own sense of being unable to leave, or being bound by some unfinished task, or something like that. All in the ghost's mind.


Katie M - Jul 07, 2003 12:31:15 pm PDT #1512 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Okay, I've heard that song, or a version thereof, but it wasn't called that. What... oh, The Wind and the Rain.


deborah grabien - Jul 07, 2003 12:37:57 pm PDT #1513 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Katie, mine's the one covered by Martin Carthy and (I think) Pentangle as well. The premise - betrayal by one's sibling for love or greed - is a nice old one, but my series is tied to specifically UK-collected songs.

Stone and wood both; I like the concept of Ringan tracking down where some of the original stones went, probably from the hearth floor. The other thing is that there could be a little outdoor storage shed covering some of the original stones.


Betsy HP - Jul 07, 2003 12:39:51 pm PDT #1514 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

The hearth. Absolutely the hearth. That's a powerful, powerful symbol.


deborah grabien - Jul 07, 2003 12:46:33 pm PDT #1515 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Betsy, I think I cross those: the hearthstones are the ones covered by the delapidated storage box in the yard. Down by the river, covered with 150 years or so of London grime....

OK. Filing that one in mental notes.


Deena - Jul 07, 2003 12:47:32 pm PDT #1516 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

But, what did the sister who died care about? It could be bits of the old stable if she loved horses; or the fireplace mantel if she were a homebody; the hearth, as Betsy said; or, perhaps the grand piano or a harp or something in or around the music room if she were musical. A stone gargoyle if she were fanciful. I would think it would be effective to have whatever she's tied to be at least a little illustrative of her personality or interests.