I seen you without your clothes on before. Never thought I'd see you naked.

Mal ,'Trash'


The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


askye - May 19, 2003 12:27:09 pm PDT #1334 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

Used bookstores specializing in romance novels would be the place to look for the Harlequin titles. There's one here in town, I think 80% of their stock is romance novels of all type. It's not a huge shop by any means but the owners are very nice and knowledgable and they know can also tell you if your search for a title is futile.

I was reading a semi series (not in the Harlequin line) but some author and I couldn't find one book that had the story of two characters that were constantly referenced in the others. They told me the book was so popular they never got it in and I was just wasting my time trying to find it.


Betsy HP - May 19, 2003 12:32:53 pm PDT #1335 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I use [link] and [link] to track down old categories. That's how I found Jennifer Crusie's backlist. It won't waste your time, but you can spend $20.00 and up for hard-to-find categories.

You may ask, why the @#$@#$@ don't the category publishers reprint these? They're starting to -- Harlequin's Mira line, for instance -- but not all of them are willing.


Susan W. - May 19, 2003 12:39:32 pm PDT #1336 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I'm eager enough for publication that I'd probably go with Harlequin if I'd exhausted all other opportunities, but they're definitely at the bottom of my list for all the reasons Betsy cites.


Consuela - May 19, 2003 12:57:45 pm PDT #1337 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Susan, you're not the only one who writes out of order. Everything I've done more than 5,000 words long has been written that way. I get the idea, I bonk out a few scenes in the middle, I write the ending, and then I go back and fill it in. Sometimes the ending gets rewritten along the way, but I always have to know where I'm going.

For me, it's too easy to get bored if I just go beginning-middle-end. Instead I write the interesting stuff first, the stuff that grabs me first, and then go find interesting things to say about the other sections. Yes, I'm weird. It's one reason why I'll never post a fic WIP.


Beverly - May 19, 2003 1:08:37 pm PDT #1338 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I have such a problem with description. I have to go back in with a weedwhacker and machete to find the story. Of course there's a member of my writing group who insists everything's in her novel--and we keep saying, no, it may be in your head, but it's not on the page.

I'm just the opposite of Susan when it comes to writing scenes vs. making myself not write out of the timeline. I'd always written whatever came, like single scenes, or conversations, or description of an "establishing shot" or a drive, or the background of a scene. My writer's mind works cinematically, and I do tend to detail "camera" moves. Because some scenes were mere skeletons and some were lush detailed things, and also because I may have written the same scene from slightly different perspectives, maybe more than twice or three times, putting the jigsaw together was a nightmare. Plus, the bridgework between the fun-to-write scenes? Boring as shit, thus often not done, or done indifferently. The style tended to vary widely, too, from scene to scene. All failings of the novice, in my case.

For this last attempt, I forced myself to write chronologically. Which actually paid off, because being linear, I discovered things as I went along, things that sent the narrative off in unexpected directions, and changed the details, or the circumstances, or the inhabitants, of those scenes I'd planned for later.

I've always been very weak on plot, tended to get to know my characters as well as possible and then just turn them loose. I had a story line anchored by things that had to happen at certain points. How I got from one point to another was open for tangent, deviation, exploration and surprise.

It was the fourth attempt. I actually finished this one. Would you like to see the contents of my files? I could reanimate several trees with the cellulose therein.


deborah grabien - May 19, 2003 2:00:08 pm PDT #1339 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

My Lewis Carroll advice-taking (start at the beginning and go on until you reach the end) I expect may well be because I start with people, not with what they're doing. So here's a collection of people in my head, and then there's the big bright light - what if they..... - and then I put them at the little green line and push 'em out there.

That's true even on the rare occasions when I start with a concept. I have a scifi morality tale I want to go back to, that I started a few years back. That one began with a concept, a what-if, but immediately I began seeing the characters and wrapping the story around them. And since the what-if in this particular story is a very angry uprooted dryad? Also character.


Susan W. - May 19, 2003 2:13:58 pm PDT #1340 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

You know, I really think I'm character rather than concept oriented, too. I get these people in my head, and start picturing how they'd interact, but not always in any chronological order.

And strictly speaking, it's not that I don't know what happens in my unwritten Chapter Two. Three major characters get in a carriage and journey across the country. I just so far haven't imagined anything interesting or important enough to constitute a scene. And if I don't think of anything soon, I'll just pick up on their arrival in Gloucestershire with a throwaway line or two about the journey being uneventful.


Betsy HP - May 19, 2003 7:39:48 pm PDT #1341 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I get these people in my head, and start picturing how they'd interact, but not always in any chronological order.

Exactly. I knew (and I wrote) the big fight in which Nora left Neil. I don't know how much more I'll have to write before she's emotionally ready for that fight. Right now it's floating out there in the air, waiting for the scenes that will connect it to the beginning.


Ms. Havisham - May 19, 2003 8:55:05 pm PDT #1342 of 10001
And we will call it... "This Land."

People who don't write in order are a mystery to me. I start at the beginning with an ending vaguely in sight and a sketched map on a damp cocktail napkin... and if it turns out, in chapter 11, that chapter 5 will have to be completely rewritten, then so be it. I'll fix it in the revisions phase. On to chapter 12.

Just to throw down with sequentialist solidarity.


Theodosia - May 19, 2003 8:58:10 pm PDT #1343 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I'm mostly a sequentialist, too. I have a bad problem that once I've imagined a scene, that's the way it played, it's history set in stone from then on. I write out of order, get a better idea and then I'm having to seriously retcon or get so bollixed up I can't go forward....