Buffy: So how'd she get away with the bad mojo stuff? Anya: Giles sold it to her. Giles: Well, I didn't know it was her. I mean, how could I? If it's any consolation, I may have overcharged her.

'Sleeper'


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amych - Apr 02, 2003 12:51:21 pm PST #1118 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Oh, god. Reminds me of a reading by Bernard Malamud I went to lo these many years ago. Someone asked him something along the lines of "when did you know you wanted to be a writer?", and Malamud looked at the guy and said, "If you don't know by this time, you should just give it up." The questioner was maybe 17 years old....


Betsy HP - Apr 02, 2003 12:51:21 pm PST #1119 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Harriet Doerr published her first novel, Stones for Ibarra, when she was 74. It won the National Book Award.


deborah grabien - Apr 02, 2003 1:01:40 pm PST #1120 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Betsy, that's a crock of shite. "40 is too old"? Someon should send her a sestina with variants of "bite me" as its theme.

And BTW, Rosie (in my writers group) did Iowa poetry as well. So this woman was a ninnyhammer and a fool.


Brynn - Apr 02, 2003 1:02:21 pm PST #1121 of 10001
"I'd rather discuss the permutations of swordplay, with an undertone of definite allusion to sex." Beverly, offering an example of when your characters give you 'tude.

Jean Rhys didn't complete _Wide Sargasso Sea_ until well into her 80s I do believe. Though it wasn't her first novel, it is definitely the one she is most well known for. Sometimes I think those "you can write ifs___" are some way of preserving some sort of elitism. Some writers want to stay on the pedestal, despite it being lonely and drafty up there. I guess there's a lot of room for the ego though.

Deb, yeah it was quite uncalled for. The only reason the comments phased me is because it came from a very close friend of mine-- not my prof, or you or someone else who I approach for editing/content advice. I was just showing it to him because he was interested..although, mostly in insulting me, apparently.


Betsy HP - Apr 02, 2003 1:02:57 pm PST #1122 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I just found this lovely quotation:

"People always ask if we--in the workshop--were dumbfounded by her writing," L'Heureux says. "But of course we weren't, because at that time she was only learning to write like Harriet Doerr."


Theodosia - Apr 02, 2003 1:32:13 pm PST #1123 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Another reason that some writer-teachers tramp on people's aspirations is that they figure if the wannabee can be discouraged, they should be. (I don't know who died and made them God, but that's the explanation I've gotten.)


Betsy HP - Apr 02, 2003 4:57:36 pm PST #1124 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

New women's fantasy line from Harlequin

Note that these will be sold as "single-title", not as Harlequin's standard on-the-stands-for-one-month-only deal.


Susan W. - Apr 02, 2003 5:03:36 pm PST #1125 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

That link isn't working for me, Betsy.

Interesting concept, though. I haven't been that impressed with most of the futuristic or paranormal romances I've read--the science fiction or supernatural aspect usually seems awkwardly pasted on to the romance.

Which isn't to say it couldn't be done well. I've certainly read and loved sf that did a good job of incorporating a love story.


§ ita § - Apr 02, 2003 5:07:23 pm PST #1126 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Have you read Anne McCaffrey's Restoree, Susan? Obviously she makes her bucks on the fantasy side of the spectrum, but that book struck me as playing quite equally in both fields.


Betsy HP - Apr 02, 2003 5:09:34 pm PST #1127 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I haven't been impressed by the romance-packaged fantasies I've read. On the other side of the fence, I've read a lot of good SF and fantasy novels that used romance tropes. Bujold is building on romance tropes, so much so that she named one novel in homage to Heyer. Here are the bones of the article:

For published and not yet published writers, Luna Books represents a chance to write the kind of stories they've been itching to read. A longtime fantasy fan who believes that vivid characterization, world-building, imagination and compelling writing cross all genre lines, Luna Books Executive Editor Mary-Theresa Hussey welcomes this opportunity to move into the "real" fantasy market. In her first in-depth interview on Luna Books, Hussey tells Crescent Blues her hopes for the new line…and its writers.

What inspired Harlequin to name their new fantasy line Luna?

We were searching for a word that was elemental, powerful, mystical, female and yet accessible. Luna seemed the perfect combination of all of that!

What are the guidelines?

They are available through the Learn to Write channel on our www.eharlequin.com website. We are in the process of setting up a website, but it won't be ready for a little while.

What do you mean by "female-focused fantasy?" Could you give us any examples of writers and novels who you'd suggest as models?

Mercedes Lackey, Catherine Asaro, Barbara Hambly, Sarah Zettel, Jacqueline Carey, Anne McCaffrey, Elizabeth Hayden and Cecilia Dart-Thornton are a few examples of the type of authors we'd love to publish. We're honored to have the first four under contract for various projects. All those writers create strong, admirable, courageous, powerful female characters who are able to achieve their goals on their own. But each female lead also has a vulnerable side, and a varying degree of romance appears in their stories.