I thought the Big Dog wasn't supposed to be eathing that kind of stuff anymore--and I thought that before I read the confirmation of Bill.

Dunno, lot of baked stuff there, salad, fruit. That sounds like Good-for-you Southern to me.

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Plus, I think he alienated them when he grabbed other guy and made the decision to send whosits to Exile Island without asking the women.

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Molly Ivins' tribute to Ann Richards.

Bullock, "And this is Charles Miles, the head of my personnel department." Miles, who is black, stuck out his hand, and the judge got an expression on his face as though he had just stepped into a fresh cowpie. He reached out and touched Charlie's palm with one finger, while turning eagerly to the pretty, blonde, blue-eyed Ann Richards. "And who is this lovely lady?"

Ann beamed and replied, "I am Mrs. Miles."

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Did they know before then that they were going to be divided by ethnic groups?

It looked like they did, yes -- it began with them jumping off the boat and onto their rafts, so Jeff must have already divided them up.

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It looked like they did, yes -- it began with them jumping off the boat and onto their rafts, so Jeff must have already divided them up.

Yes, but I don't think they knew going in. It seemed like some of them just figured it out when they were divided up.

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If it's not weird to either partner, but just part of the ordinary repertoire, it loses the "kink" designation. If it's a special "I can only do this on Tuesdays/I have to do this when the moon is full/I have to do it this way because I saw a red car today" type of practice, where the practice becomes an expression of an unresolved emotional issue, it becomes kink.

Damn, I have a feeling that Hec has probably taken off to go write and won't be around to clarify, and I feel extremely peculiar about trying to clarify any of this myself since it's really a completely foreign language and alien culture to me, but... I think it's more complex than that. The handful of people I know who self-identify as kinky/fetishistic, even when they're in happy, committed relationships with people who share their kinks and for whom the kinky stuff is an unremarkable happy norm, still self-identify as kinky and describe the sex they have as normal-for-them-but-still-firmly-outside-most-people's-norm. Within the context of a committed relationship there's not much in the way of unresolved issues going on, it's playful and joyful for them, but they don't have much interest in calling it normal.

At least, that's my very weak and flawed interpretation of what I've gotten from my confused understanding of my sample size of three couples.

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I have ice cream.

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I have ice cream.

and here I was trying to decide what to have for lunch.

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there are plenty of people who will self-identify as oddballs, fringe and wahtnot cause they like thinking of themselves as that, even if no one else does or if in the circle of people they associate with they are the same as everyone else.

As someone who uses common as a derogatory in many instances, I guess I get it, but as one might expected wrt to sex and one's sexlife, I just have no concept of why people want to discuss it at all, much less work out the specifics of a vocabulary.

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people who will self-identify as oddballs, fringe and what not cause they like thinking of themselves as that

I am totally unique! Just like everybody else!

I think "kinky" is one of those words that keeps getting less and less meaningful the more people use it. Because, big shiny high-heeled stacked hip-boots? Not kinky by themselves. And yet.

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