Wikipedia on water landings: [link]

They give six examples, including one where people died because they didn't wait to leave the plane before they inflated their life vests.

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Michel gave birth to a 14-pound, 13-ounce boy Tuesday at William W. Backus Hospital.

I wonder if that's ever-ever, or just ever at that hospital. It ought to be ever-ever, because man, that's the combined weight of two average, single-birth newborns. That poor mama. The baby looks about four months old in the photo. I wonder if she had gestational diabetes.

And I notice she gave birth to 8.5lb twins.

Oh my. My (teensy) cousin gave birth to twins that were 7lbs 9oz, and 6lbs, 11oz. They were huge for her (and big for twins), but 8.5 is big for a single birth.

I have a friend who gave birth to an 11-lb. girl, but she herself is 5'10" and sturdily built and her husband is 6'6" and ditto; next to other babies, their baby looked like Gargantua, but next to her actual parents she looked properly wee and newborn.

JZ, I wish you a baby in the 7 pound range.

11 pounds is big, even if the parents are big. Wow. Ben was 7lbs 5oz; Julia was 7lbs 13oz; and Chris was 8lbs even. I quit while ahead.

My best friend's last baby was 9lbs and 13oz. Her other two had been in the 5 something and 7 something, so it was a bit of a shocker. I spoke to her dad (who was very ill) the morning she was set to be induced, and when he told me the weight, I thought he was telling me the time the baby was born.

My friend is small and so is her husband, so it never dawned on me that he was talking weight until I was out buying outfits for the new baby, that night. I remember standing in the store, looking at newborn clothes, then wondering if he meant weight and deciding, "Nah! K's babies aren't big babies." I think the baby wore the newborn sized outfit I bought him, about twice.

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Mom's best friend's 1st grandson was just born, he weighed 8 lbs 14 oz and is 23 inches long. His mother is a wee tiny woman (and his father is really tall -- 6'6") and she said during the last few weeks she didn't like going out because people would stare at her.

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George Clooney may have been across the street from Trudy, but *I* was ten feet away from Pierce Brosnan and Liam Neeson!!

At once? Dude. My pants would have been SUPER porny...

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I was 9lbs when I was born. My twin sister was 7lbs 6oz. I'm *pretty* sure Mom had GD, but they didn't test for it back then.

Too cute! Your room looks wonderful, too. The walls really pop.

Thanks. DH picked the color. I like warm yellows.

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Ok, bad spinach = bad juju.

Is fresh spinach ok? I haven't read either way.

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My best friend's twins were 6 weeks early and little -- 4lb 2 oz and 4 lbs 12 oz -- but they have grown ginormously in their first 6 months.

Boy is over 20 lbs now and

Girl is about 18 lbs. If I remember correctly, that's bigger then Plei's (OMGSOADORABLE) 17 month old.

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It was bagged, fresh spinach that was of the bad, Aimee. But it's ok if you wash it. I suspect a lot of people just eat it without washing it--as does my DH. He's lazy like that.

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Ok, got it. Thanks, love.

BTW - I showed my co-worker some of the pics of O&O, and she said, "Those are two of the most beautiful kids I have ever seen."

She's so very right.

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Bagged spinach hasn't been confirmed as the culprit, but it's the only food so far that the victims have had in common. E.coli dies when you cook it, though.

I suspect a lot of people just eat it without washing it

Well yeah, the bags say pre-washed! What's the point of buying pre-washed greens if you're just going to have to wash them again?

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