Right, what's a little sweater sniffing between sworn enemies?

Riley ,'Sleeper'


Natter 46: The FIGHTIN' 46  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


brenda m - Sep 11, 2006 7:28:48 am PDT #7299 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I know that this is Buffista History Canon by now, but I've never really felt that way. The reason I thought to check in (from my honeymoon) in the first place was that we already were a community.

Yeah, I think we were well into that place by 9-11, and thank goodness for that.


askye - Sep 11, 2006 7:29:45 am PDT #7300 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

Five years ago I called in sick to work and was thinking about not turning on the tv or getting online when I decided just to flip on the tv. The tv was on USA and I saw a partially fallen tower and another burning and thought "What kind of crappy disaster movie are they showing?" And flipped the channels and saw it was real and everywhere.

Grandma E called me at one point and asked if I would go over there with her and I did. We sat there and talked and watched the news.

I remember hearing that a car bomb had gone off at the Pentagon as well as other rumors.


Nutty - Sep 11, 2006 7:31:04 am PDT #7301 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I know that this is Buffista History Canon by now, but I've never really felt that way. The reason I thought to check in (from my honeymoon) in the first place was that we already were a community. I think in my mind we became a community after TT went pay and we were all alone (relatively) in the wilds of WX.

I don't know -- I do recall a sense of collective when we transferred to WX (there were huge BCC email lists, as we worked out how to track everybody down), but there were other former TT groups on WX, that I kept up with even up till September of that year, that I lost touch with afterwards. I used to hang around in TTTV, for example, and I lurked a lot more places. During that summer, I'd felt like B.org was a special subset of the TT diaspora; after September I felt like we were a community distinct from TT.

Maybe that's a natural function of diasporas, as the cross-connections lose touch; but it seemed to happen so quickly (especially as the board-building got underway in earnest).


Nilly - Sep 11, 2006 7:31:54 am PDT #7302 of 10001
Swouncing

It was a transformative event, yes, but not one transforming from not!community to community.

Thanks, ita. That was what I was trying to say in my former post, but couldn't phrase it quite well.

It's like the Escher painting, of the hands drawing themselves - we were a community before, and the fact that we already felt cose enough and comfortable enough made us turn to each other in a difficult time, which in turn changed the sort of connection we've had into something different, and so forth, in a circle that keeps changing and growing.


Sue - Sep 11, 2006 7:33:27 am PDT #7303 of 10001
hip deep in pie

I know that this is Buffista History Canon by now, but I've never really felt that way. The reason I thought to check in (from my honeymoon) in the first place was that we already were a community. I think in my mind we became a community after TT went pay and we were all alone (relatively) in the wilds of WX.

What Jessica said. And ita. My first thought wouldn't have been of the NY Buffistas, if we weren't there already.


Jesse - Sep 11, 2006 7:35:54 am PDT #7304 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I agree with what you guys are saying about the community already existing.


beekaytee - Sep 11, 2006 7:37:46 am PDT #7305 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

I rememeber the State Department bomb story the most. I was cleaning my living room...it was a stunningly bright, warm day, so I had all the windows thrown open.

I heard an impact and stopped dead in my tracks...straining to hear what woiuld come next...sirens, alarms? But nothing came. I must have stood there for 3 minutes, frozen...but then assumed it was a really big backfire or summat.

About 15 minutes later, my landlord called. Him:Turn on your tv! Me: I don't have a tv. What the... Him: Fuck! Go find one Someone just flew a plane into the Pentagon.

I knew then what I had heard. I went down the street to a friend's house. We held hands and cried for 5 hours. I never watched another moment of coverage. I'd seen enough.

For the next week I raged about the Red Cross not returning my call about volunteering to help...but spent endless hours on the street, just calming strangers...letting them talk it out. One older lady followed me around a store for a half hour before I finally caught on that she needed help. Everything was so 'strained-okay', it didn't seem possible.

Next day, I ran a grief group. First person in was on one of the trains that got caught under the second tower. Her whole company was gone, but she was late to work. I had no idea what to say. A group of older ladies came in...women who have seen some evil in their lives. They were perfect for her...I felt completely useless.


Aims - Sep 11, 2006 7:44:03 am PDT #7306 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

ita, I got the cutest picture of Em this morning in her Krav t-shirt, holding her little fists up by her temples. I tried to get her feet into fighting stance, but she was not cooperating. I'll post pictures later on.


§ ita § - Sep 11, 2006 7:49:27 am PDT #7307 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'll post pictures later on.

Oh, cuteness!


Theodosia - Sep 11, 2006 7:50:26 am PDT #7308 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I was home that day because we had some handymen coming in, so I got up a little on the late side, and switched on NPR when I came down to the kitchen. It was just a little after 9, and the BBC news was on, and I would have let it go in one ear and out the other, except they were talking excitedly about a plane hitting the WTC, and then they had someone on with an American accent who described seeing it hit.

I turned on CNN... who had NOTHING about it, and didn't for another 20 minutes at least. I'm pretty sure it was ABC who actually had some live coverage, which was just smoke billowing up and confirmation that it had been a jet plane.