Congratulations to the class of 1999. You all proved more or less adequate.

Snyder ,'Chosen'


Natter 46: The FIGHTIN' 46  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Fred Pete - Sep 06, 2006 3:44:04 am PDT #6183 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

What more notorious unsolved murder is there elsewhere in the country?

As another with a twisted interest in true crime, I'll vote for Jack the Ripper.

Another argument for both Black Dahlia and JtR -- they're still able to generate this discussion all these years (60 in one case, almost 120 in the other) years later. And, unlike Lizzie Borden, Nicole Simpson, et al., they're genuinely unsolved as opposed to "the one we're sure is the real killer got off."

Bob Crane gets points for sensationalism but isn't remembered as well.


§ ita § - Sep 06, 2006 3:57:55 am PDT #6184 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That would surprise me.

I have given up on a lot of surprise.

What more notorious unsolved murder is there elsewhere in the country?

As another with a twisted interest in true crime, I'll vote for Jack the Ripper.

See? Fred even thinks Jack the Ripper happened in the US.

Kidding!


Laura - Sep 06, 2006 4:03:46 am PDT #6185 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

The Miami Herald apparently didn't like Katie's news debut. [link]

A couple of my favorite comments:

There were lots of sunny I'm-your-coffee-klatsch-pal-and-not-the-voice-of-God smiles. There was a not-quite-live interview by Couric of New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman for reasons that were not quite apparent. There was lots of use of the name ''Katie'' by everybody who came on camera.

and

Oh, what we didn't see: Mexico's electoral tribunal ruled Tuesday that conservative candidate Felipe Calderón won July's presidential elections, setting the stage for a potentially violent confrontation with supporters of leftist candidate Andrés Manuél Lopez Obrador. Unfortunately, neither Tom Cruise nor Katie Holmes is a member of the tribunal, so it didn't make the cut.

I didn't watch, but I haven't watched network news in many years. I used to watch Walter.

Why was there no House whitefont last night? I wasn't home, but I am alone in my office, and I have headphones. I may whitefont soon.


Fred Pete - Sep 06, 2006 4:13:25 am PDT #6186 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Kidding!

Fair point. Though London (and everywhere else outside the U.S.) is outside CA, pretty much by definition.


§ ita § - Sep 06, 2006 4:22:21 am PDT #6187 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Though London (and everywhere else outside the U.S.) is outside CA, pretty much by definition.

Sure. Just not "in the country."

In terms of single murders, without any focus on the murderer, what ranks? Hoffa? Nicole Simpson? Jon Benet? Still remains to be seen if Nicole and JB will stand the test of time.


Jesse - Sep 06, 2006 4:32:16 am PDT #6188 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I think I would give Jack the Ripper "most notorious unsolved" overall... at least in the English-speaking world.

Still remains to be seen if Nicole and JB will stand the test of time.

I vote no. But who can say?


tommyrot - Sep 06, 2006 4:35:02 am PDT #6189 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

But who can say?

Some guy with a time machine?


§ ita § - Sep 06, 2006 4:36:36 am PDT #6190 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I vote no too.


Jesse - Sep 06, 2006 4:39:48 am PDT #6191 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Some guy with a time machine?

Where is that guy? Damn!

Hey, have you people seen the Suri Cruise pictures? They're out.


Fred Pete - Sep 06, 2006 4:41:05 am PDT #6192 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

I vote JonBenet. That's the Great Unsolved Crime of our day -- look at the headlines Karr got 10 years later. I suspect she'll go the way of the JtR -- lots of literature, and everybody with a different theory. Unless the real killer confesses.

Hoffa was 30 years ago. He seems to have stood the test of time to some degree, probably because he was well-known when alive. But he falls into the "semi-solved" category. Let's face it, does anyone really believe it wasn't a Mob hit?

Simpson will be a footnote, remembered largely because of O.J.'s celebrity and the complete and utter mess the trial became. Where JonBenet is a whodunit, O.J. is a police procedural -- what should the law have done differently?