Mal: He calls back, you keep them occupied. Wash: What do I do, shadow puppets?

'The Message'


Natter 46: The FIGHTIN' 46  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Connie Neil - Aug 02, 2006 10:28:57 am PDT #56 of 10001
brillig

most sympathy with are Lucifer Morningstar and Judas Iscariot. In both cases, they were merely doing their Part in the Plan, and really got the crap end of the deal for their troubles

I always feel sorry for Judas, too. But according to theologians I've talked to, his sin was his suicide, which showed he didn't have faith that God had meant it to happen. Though the church through history has always portrayed him as a great betrayer instead of being faithless.


Vortex - Aug 02, 2006 10:30:19 am PDT #57 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Doesn't Lucifer mean "Morningstar"?

so, less like Prince and more like Boutros Boutros Ghali?


Connie Neil - Aug 02, 2006 10:31:29 am PDT #58 of 10001
brillig

I think Lucifer literally means "light bringer"


tommyrot - Aug 02, 2006 10:32:04 am PDT #59 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I always feel sorry for Judas, too. But according to theologians I've talked to, his sin was his suicide

Then there's also the sin of inspiring the name of a heavy metal band....


Jesse - Aug 02, 2006 10:33:46 am PDT #60 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

so, less like Prince and more like Boutros Boutros Ghali?

Hee!

I am having trouble writing something at work. It's a summary of stuff that the people reading it will already know. So I don't want to say too much, but then I can't just skip it altogether, because it gives the context for the rest. Eh. "So, remember how you had toast for breakfast? Wasn't that good??"


Kathy A - Aug 02, 2006 10:34:37 am PDT #61 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I'm betting Lucifer doesn't really look anything like Viggo Mortensen. Damn.

Actually, I'd love to see that Lucifer talking to W:

Bush: This war is mine!

Lucifer: Your war is arrogance. That makes it evil. And that's mine.

Bush: Lucifer. Sitting in your basement. Sulking about your break up with the boss. You're nothing.

Lucifer: Time to come home, Georgie.


JZ - Aug 02, 2006 10:35:49 am PDT #62 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

(Which...honestly, to me, doesn't seem to make anyone come off any better. God is a psychotic terrorist, and Job is a ex-wannabe-prostitute with Stockholm syndrome and daddy issues?)

Well, again, it's a question of metaphor and meaning vs. plot mechanics, but I also know that it's a pretty upsetting story no matter how you come at it. I'm just twisted enough to enjoy the metaphor and the fucked-upness and all, but I don't expect to be able to convince anyone else that because that's how I feel about it, they ought to too. Just sayin that's my read, is all.


Sophia Brooks - Aug 02, 2006 10:36:43 am PDT #63 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I've always liked Judas, too. May have to do with early exposure to Jesus Christ Superstar, which, is, like one step away from Bible slash.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 02, 2006 10:37:32 am PDT #64 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I'm betting Lucifer doesn't really look anything like Viggo Mortensen. Damn.

I'm betting closer to Dick Cheney. Who I can totally imagine having that conversation with Shrub.


bon bon - Aug 02, 2006 10:39:35 am PDT #65 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

"So, remember how you had toast for breakfast? Wasn't that good??"

Yeah! Say, hey, thanks for reminding me about that good toast!