If every vampire who said he was at the crucifixion was actually there, it would have been like Woodstock.

Spike ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Natter 46: The FIGHTIN' 46  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


bon bon - Aug 08, 2006 10:35:17 am PDT #1413 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation, like credit card fees being too expensive-- but wouldn't the receptionist be sending people out to get cash all the time? What a PITA on their schedule.


Allyson - Aug 08, 2006 10:41:40 am PDT #1414 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

But that's just the thing, bon. When they called to confirm the appointment, why not say then what the deductible is and that they only accept cash (which is NUTS, they should also accept money orders and cashier's checks for that amount, and the fee is only 2%)?


Fred Pete - Aug 08, 2006 10:45:57 am PDT #1415 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

I have a $15 co-pay that I have to pay up front at the doctor's. I usually pay cash (my choice) and get a receipt.


Vortex - Aug 08, 2006 10:48:17 am PDT #1416 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I opted to ignore them and no collections agency has come after me yet, and one of my friends is still speaking to me (doctor was her cousin) and I've not been blacklisted from repeated visits so I think I'm ok?

yeah, I did that after my surgery, and then started getting calls from a collection agency over a year later. It was $150 on a 16K surgery, so I think I came out ahead.


sarameg - Aug 08, 2006 10:50:19 am PDT #1417 of 10001

It's been years, but I figure they'd have tracked me down if it was actually a bill.


tommyrot - Aug 08, 2006 10:51:01 am PDT #1418 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

So who here has heard of Sonya Kovalevsky? Not me....

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[Sonya] continued to study by candlelight, and when her father confiscated her candles, she memorized texts during the day and worked out problems in her head at night. The family of French mathematician Sophie Germain -- inventor of "Germain primes," i.e., double a Germain prime and add 1 to get another prime number -- used a similar tactic to dissuade their equally precocious daughter from studying geometry, algebra and calculus... to no avail. Sonya also studied under the covers at night, borrowing an algebra textbook from one of her tutors.

Then a neighbor, who taught science, gave the family a copy of a basic physics book he'd written. Sonya turned to the section on optics, and discovered trigonometry. Even though she'd never encountered it before, she managed to make sense of the derivations for small angles by substituting "a chord for the mysterious sine." In short, she independently rediscovered the same method by which the whole concept of a sine had been developed historically. Impressed, the neighbor convinced Sonya's father to let her study analytic geometry and calculus privately in St. Petersburg. She mastered both subjects in a single winter. Her astonished tutor noted that it was almost as if she'd known the concepts in advance.

...

Weierstrass wasn't a familiar name to me, but at the time he was the most renowned German mathematician, a professor at the University of Berlin. Sonya came to him bearing glowing recommendations from her Heidelberg professors, yet even then, he was skeptical, and far from enthusiastic about taking her on. To discourage the young woman, he gave her a set of problems he'd prepared for his most advanced students, assuming she'd never make sense of them. Instead, she solved them in record time; not only that, her solutions were clear and original, demonstrating a grasp of the material lacking in most of his male students (Mittag-Leffler being one notable exception). So he agreed to teach her privately, and came to consider her among the most brilliant and promising of all his students.

Sonya didn't disappoint her mentor. By the age of 25, she had produced three original papers, each of which was deemed worthy of a PhD degree: one on the shape of Saturn's rings, another on elliptical integrals, and a third on partial differential equations. Not that Berlin would ever award a woman a PhD, especially one that had never been officially matriculated. Anywhere. (And how could she possibly matriculate when they wouldn't allow it? Yes. Exactly.) To his credit, Weierstrass fought for her, eventually convincing the University of Gottingen to award her a PhD in mathematics, summa cum laude.


ChiKat - Aug 08, 2006 10:51:08 am PDT #1419 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

My doc's office requires payment of my copay when I check in, but she takes cash/checks/credit cards.


Polter-Cow - Aug 08, 2006 10:57:36 am PDT #1420 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

The family of French mathematician Sophie Germain -- inventor of "Germain primes," i.e., double a Germain prime and add 1 to get another prime number

Interesting. But hey! You can't invent primes! They're already there!

And, damn, she sounds pretty awesome for someone we've never heard of.


Emily - Aug 08, 2006 10:58:44 am PDT #1421 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

So who here has heard of Sonya Kovalevsky?

She's on pretty much every "Women in mathematics" poster you'll run into (something about which I have mixed feelings), but I hadn't heard of her before that.


Jessica - Aug 08, 2006 10:59:22 am PDT #1422 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

French mathematician Sophie Germain

Ooh, hers are the primes at the center of the proof in Proof.