Get up...get up, you stupid piece of... What did you do that for? What's wrong with you? Didn't you hear a word he said? All of you! You think there's someone just going to drop money on you?! Money they could use?! Well, there ain't people like that. There's just people like me.

Jayne ,'Jaynestown'


Spike's Bitches 31: We're Motivated Go-getters.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Polter-Cow - Jul 21, 2006 12:19:14 pm PDT #5095 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I recently discovered that I have a friend who was in Beirut for the last two months. She's safe in the mountains right now, thank goodness.


Strix - Jul 21, 2006 1:11:42 pm PDT #5096 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

What is a birthright trip?

And damn, Emily, I wish you'd moved to Kansas City. We desperately need to hire a math teacher.


Gris - Jul 21, 2006 1:40:28 pm PDT #5097 of 10001
Hey. New board.

What is a birthright trip?

Jewish organizations pay for Jewish kids to go to Israel for a week (or two, maybe)


Hil R. - Jul 21, 2006 2:19:51 pm PDT #5098 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Oh shit, I just remembered that some friends of mine were doing their birthright trip sometime in the near vicinity of now, and I completely forgot.

I went on a birthright trip last summer. There is very heavy security -- trip leaders are in constant contact with a central base, every road is checked before the bus goes on it, and they'll reroute things on the spot if there looks like any potential danger.

Jewish organizations pay for Jewish kids to go to Israel for a week (or two, maybe)

Ten days.


beth b - Jul 21, 2006 2:48:33 pm PDT #5099 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

too damn hot


Fay - Jul 21, 2006 2:49:52 pm PDT #5100 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Jewish organizations pay for Jewish kids to go to Israel for a week (or two, maybe)

Um. Why?

I mean, free holidays are always nice, of course, but - not sure I quite understand this.


beth b - Jul 21, 2006 2:51:54 pm PDT #5101 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Fay, I am guessing it is sort of a roots/religion thing.


Hil R. - Jul 21, 2006 2:51:59 pm PDT #5102 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I was planning on going running tonight, but it's humid enough that I'm pretty sure any sort of exercise will give me an asthma attack. Feh. Staying inside in the air conditioning and reading, instead.

Also, I'm discovering that I really like teaching. I like it much better here, when I'm teaching kids, than I do at school, when I'm teaching college students. Not sure where this is leading me; just musing, for now.


Hil R. - Jul 21, 2006 3:03:10 pm PDT #5103 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Um. Why?

Lots of reasons. Official reasons: supposedly, Jewish kids in the US (well, young adults -- the program is for ages 18 to 26) are disconnected from Israel -- they (we) see it too much as an abstract "over there" and not the integral part of our lives that the people giving money to this think it should be. (Frankly, I found much of the stuff in this vein rather condescending, but was willing to just go along with it, because, hey, free trip.) The organization has a reputation for "brainwashing" people, for doing a heavy "You see, this is why the Israelis are good and the Arabs are bad," thing, but I didn't see that at all. We heard lots of speakers, from religious to secular, and from, well, far-right to moderate-left. That could have been better, but also could have been far worse.

As far as the "brainwashing" charges -- when we were there, we went to see a part of the security fence near Bethlehem, and a representative from the Israeli army was there to tell us about it. He started off with "I am wearing this uniform, and therefore I have to talk to you now as a representative of this army. If you ran into me on the street, I might tell you something else. But right now, I am in uniform, and I respect that." He then proceded to give us a "Why the security fence is good and proper" talk that was full of illogic. He convinced no one, and when we all asked indignant, "What do you mean, that's an acceptable consequence?" questions, he just shrugged. I think that that was the closest we got to anything resembling "brainwashing." The rest of the time, it was more getting to see stuff and experiencing the country.

I think they also wanted us to be able to go back to the States and be able to speak knowledgably about Israel, as an actual place that we'd seen and experienced, not just as an abstract entity.


Hil R. - Jul 21, 2006 3:11:27 pm PDT #5104 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Oh, I forgot to finish my thought there. Unofficial reasons for funding birthright trips: get young Jewish people to meet other young Jewish people, leading to Jewish marriages and lots of Jewish babies. They were actually rather heavy-handed with this message, though it's not officially anywhere. Most baby-boomer generation Jewish organizations and leaders will talk a lot about how our generation is abandoning Judaism, and how there's too much intermarriage, and how there will be no more American Jews in another 50 years, and all kinds of hand-wringing over that. Unfortunately, the "solution" proposed to most of this seems to be to try to bring us into the Mens Club and Sisterhood organizations that are mostly filled with our parents, and to completely ignore all the really interesting stuff (blogs, spiritual retreats, back to the land programs, innovative services, etc.) that we're creating for ourselves.

Um, sorry. Got a little off-track ranty there.