As Willow goes, so goes my nation.

Oz ,'Selfless'


The Minearverse 5: Closer to the Earth, Further from the Ax  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


§ ita § - Aug 17, 2006 8:52:21 am PDT #910 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'd make an argument that a person's culture is a combination of location, class, race, ethnicity, and possibly other things.

I go with a definition of ethnicity that's bigger than yours: it embraces what you call culture.

a social group or category of the population that, in a larger society, is set apart and bound together by common ties of race, language, nationality, or culture

Encyclopedia Britannica's definition is pretty much what I've been going by.


Polter-Cow - Aug 17, 2006 9:07:24 am PDT #911 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I think Gus was taking the position that because races have no biological reality that hey can be ignored in medicine.

Uh. But races do have a biological reality. Which is why, as Strega pointed out, they aren't ignored in medicine. (You used a simple "because" without any qualifiers, so I wasn't sure whether you were agreeing with his belief or not.)


Jesse - Aug 17, 2006 9:11:19 am PDT #912 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

a social group or category of the population that, in a larger society, is set apart and bound together by common ties of race, language, nationality, or culture

I think what I'm trying to get at is that the culture of people of German descent in Wisconsin is probably pretty different from the culture of people of German descent in France or Zambia. All of those people are the same race and ethnicity but different cultures. I'd say. Today.


§ ita § - Aug 17, 2006 9:15:00 am PDT #913 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

All of those people are the same race and ethnicity but different cultures. I'd say. Today

Well, if the Germans in Wisconsin can be called out as an ethnicity separate from the rest of Wisconsin, ans similarly with France and Zambia, there may be medically or socially significant similarities between the three groups.

My sister studied people of Jamaican descent in Costa Rica for one or two of her degrees. They sound more Jamaican than I do. They speak the patois, cook the food, etc. So if you're studying heart disease, for instance, you may lump them with Jamaican Jamaicans, because they have the same dietary patterns.

However, with the definition given above, they can be defined as different ethnicities if their cultures are different. That's why I said my definition was bigger than yours.


Jesse - Aug 17, 2006 9:25:35 am PDT #914 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

That's really interesting about the Jamaican-Costa Ricans.


§ ita § - Aug 17, 2006 9:34:25 am PDT #915 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There are similar instances in Panama (J August Richards is ex-Jamaican that way)--a lot of Caribbean folk went over to help build the canal. I understand we may have relatives in Panama. Both my grandfathers went over to build, but they came back.


Betsy HP - Aug 17, 2006 9:37:31 am PDT #916 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

someone had told everyone to wear condoms,

I tried, but it wouldn't fit over my elbow.


Jars - Aug 17, 2006 10:24:43 am PDT #917 of 10001

This conversation is amusing to me because I spent a good half of my undergrad discussing how 'culture' should be defined.

The general consensus is that you shouldn't bother and just fudge the edges.


Polter-Cow - Aug 17, 2006 10:28:21 am PDT #918 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Every culture has different fudge, though.

Mmm, fudge.


Jesse - Aug 17, 2006 10:36:55 am PDT #919 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

The general consensus is that you shouldn't bother and just fudge the edges.

Oh good, because I could tell every time I started typing a sentence that I would have come up with something completely different yesterday or last week.