And you're sure this isn't just some fanboy thing? 'Cause I've fought more than a couple pimply, overweight vamps that called themselves Lestat.

Buffy ,'Lessons'


The Minearverse 5: Closer to the Earth, Further from the Ax  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 03, 2007 8:17:47 am PST #8701 of 10001
What is even happening?

I agree. I also think the Tonight Show staff was fired, not because NBC is in a panic, but to influence public opinion, i.e. "Look what the greedy writers have made us do!"


victor infante - Dec 03, 2007 8:26:54 am PST #8702 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I agree. I also think the Tonight Show staff was fired, not because NBC is in a panic, but to influence public opinion, i.e. "Look what the greedy writers have made us do!"

But frankly, this hasn't happened. I don't sense people buying the "greedy writers" meme anywhere in any great numbers, and the various polls all seem to bear me out on this.


JZ - Dec 03, 2007 8:26:59 am PST #8703 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I do think public opinion, public support, matters hugely. I don't know that there's been a successful strike in practically ever where it didn't matter.

I may have already asked this, but is there an organized letter-writing campaign under way? To specific studio heads or network heads or big advertisers? I wrote a shitload of letters during the actors' strike and I was shocked at how many at least semi-personal responses I got, especially from advertisers, full of "The issues are of course very complex" weasel-words but with an undertone of real worry that they were getting flak not just from the strikers but from fans, that their public images were being tarnished by their unwillingness to back down.

I know there's a postcard drive being run by someone (which I stupidly failed to bookmark), but IME actual letters get a better response. I'd be happy to start cranking them out again if I knew where they should go.


Allyson - Dec 03, 2007 8:30:37 am PST #8704 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Heh. We should have Buffistas.org letterhead for our many angry letters. But, we'd have to vote.


Allyson - Dec 03, 2007 8:34:55 am PST #8705 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Victor, anecdotally I'm looking at the TVGuide letters and "trolls" at the UH site and Nikki Finke's blog. I don't think all of the naysayers are "trolls." I think some are honest dissent.


NoiseDesign - Dec 03, 2007 8:43:52 am PST #8706 of 10001
Our wings are not tired

I've spoken to more than a few folks, and have overheard quite a few conversations in airports that pretty much reduce the issue to the following, "I went to watch my TV and the show I want to watch isn't airing a new episode because of the god damned writers."


Kevin - Dec 03, 2007 8:57:42 am PST #8707 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Yeah, I wrote before how I told somebody about BSG suspending production, and their response was "Fuck the writers". To which I had the discussion about, you know, no writers, no show. They weren't interested; they just wanted their entertainment back.

The names and addresses of studio heads are online, if anybody wants to write letters. I don't know if anybody collated the advertisers or not. I know there's also phone numbers for pretty much every studio head online, to the point where they've had to start changing the phone numbers and hiring extra staff to filter calls.

Personally, I still believe the public support is generally in the way of the writers - but I'm not convinced it really matters either way.


Allyson - Dec 03, 2007 9:32:02 am PST #8708 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Oh! ita!

Has anyone mentioned this prize in the pencil drawing?

For EUREKA fans: One supportive fan will receive a phone call from Colin Ferguson (Sheriff Jack Carter) and co-creator Jaime Paglia, personally thanking them for their support. Make sure you list Eureka as the show you are supporting when you click on the icon.


§ ita § - Dec 03, 2007 9:33:51 am PST #8709 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Has anyone mentioned this prize in the pencil drawing?

Think I should support this way? I totally want...well, not that Jaime guy. He could be an ax murderer.


Kristen - Dec 03, 2007 9:49:12 am PST #8710 of 10001

I think good PR is helpful but I don't know, at the end of the day, how much of a difference it makes in getting a deal. I think there are other, more important factors pressuring the AMPTP members. (For example, the rumors about the advertising snafu an extended strike will cause them.)

I've been pleasantly surprised by how many people seem to be on our side. Because I don't expect the average person earning an average wage to care if Akiva Goldsman gets internet residuals on top of his $4M fee. They just want to come home, turn on the TV and be entertained. It's okay if they don't care how that entertainment got made.

So public opinion has been in our favor but that I suspect that won't last forever. I do wish we would stop staying stupid things and be more understanding of the situation BTL workers now find themselves in. As the strike continues, I see that coming back to bite us in the ass.