Wesley: We were fighting on opposite sides, but it was the same war. Fred: but you hated her…didn't you? Wesley: It's not always about holding hands.

'Shells'


The Minearverse 5: Closer to the Earth, Further from the Ax  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Jessica - Nov 12, 2007 4:43:21 am PST #7891 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Also, the pay? Fucking awful in comparison.

So. Very. True.

But re the BBC's production values - there's already a TON of BBC content on US TV screens that American audiences are happily watching without realizing. Almost everything on the Discovery family of channels is bought-in and reversioned (American narrators and edited for ads) BBC progamming, ditto the History Channel and a fair chunk of PBS. (Of course, the docs do tend to be produced at a higher level than the fiction for the very reason that they DO sell well over here, and Discovery as a co-producer means more money at the start. But Rome was a huge success, as was Hustle, and of course Dr Who on both BBCA and SciFi.)


Fay - Nov 12, 2007 5:58:04 am PST #7892 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

I think, in terms of production values, that Britishy tell tends to look and be quite stagey; that at least until pretty recently, UK telly was largely influenced by the theatrical tradition, rather than the cinematic tradition. Whereas in the US, it's been more influenced by cinematic conventions.

'Course, I may be talking shite. But that seems to me a plausible explanation for the difference between Casualty and ER. (Because I don't think it's just about how much money is being thrown at shows in terms of lighting/sound/sets etc. Although maybe it's just that...)

Still, UK telly is getting shinier these days.


CaBil - Nov 12, 2007 6:48:13 am PST #7893 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Well, I hadn't realized when I talked earlier, but it turns out a lot of writer-producers have clauses in their contracts stating they can't work on the internet except as part of the contracting employer's own efforts.

For instance, if a writer-producer was contracted with ABC, they can't work for anything but ABC web efforts. And since Disney/ABCis a struck company, they can't work for anyone then.

Now, they are talking about the studios using force majeur clauses that kick in after six weeks (in general, it will vary by specific contract) that void the contracts to get rid of some folks that they have been wanting to get rid of anyways. But they don't have to, and in some cases they may want to keep writer-producers under contract for no other reason to keep them from doing anything else. But on the bright side, that means they keep on getting paid (for the producer half of their job, at least)

So we may not see all of our favorite writers do anything other than catch up on their comic work in this time...

That is my limited understanding of the situation, of course. People with first hand knowledge, please feel free to correct me...


Kevin - Nov 12, 2007 6:53:46 am PST #7894 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Part of the difference between Casualty and ER will be the budget, Fay. I don't have figures to hand, but I'm willing to bet ER is a $2m an episode or so production (if not more), which would likely pay for several series of Casualty with the BBC.

Certainly, when you look at Doctor Who - a show which has ratings Tim's networks could only dream of, in a country with a fifth of the population - that shows' budget is tiny. If you are wondering why, at the height of it's rating success it's shutting down production - a situation you would never get in the US - I think we can all work out why the people involved in a hit worldwide TV show might be looking elsewhere.

And all power to them. I would, too.


Tamara - Nov 12, 2007 7:35:37 am PST #7895 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

Tamara i tried to watch an ep of Blood Ties and i was supremely bored. not nearly enough vampire for me.

But when he is there, he is very pretty. That's enough. I'm easy.


Kevin - Nov 12, 2007 7:41:11 am PST #7896 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Just heard - NBC have put Alyson Hannigan on unpaid leave over How I Met Your Mother. The SAG are up in arms as it violates everything, apparently. She's still under an exclusivity deal, but isn't being paid.

ETA: [link]


Wolfram - Nov 12, 2007 7:45:18 am PST #7897 of 10001
Visilurking

Kevin, I don't think HIMYM is NBC.


Jessica - Nov 12, 2007 7:46:06 am PST #7898 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I want to say it's CBS, but Tivo has pretty much destroyed my ability to remember what's on which channel.


Kevin - Nov 12, 2007 7:46:33 am PST #7899 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Doh!


Jon B. - Nov 12, 2007 7:48:06 am PST #7900 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Regardless, the article Kevin linked to says it's the production studio, Sony, not the network.