You're right. He's evil. But you should see him naked. I mean really!

Buffybot ,'Dirty Girls'


The Minearverse 5: Closer to the Earth, Further from the Ax  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


victor infante - Nov 09, 2007 11:43:45 am PST #7713 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

If there's no digital revenue, then why are the studios so reluctant to give it up?

I'm sure Viacom put every episode of "The Daily Show With Jon Stewart" online as a matter of national service. Pay no attention to the ads.


Jesse - Nov 09, 2007 11:44:15 am PST #7714 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

It's a promotion!!


Tamara - Nov 09, 2007 11:47:09 am PST #7715 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

I totally think there is a current digital revenue stream.

That said, the argument I have been given is that the current costs far outweigh the revenue. So digital streaming is still costing the studios more than they are receiving from Internet advertising. That is why the studios are using the "promotion" term.

I don't buy for a second that that inequity will continue for very long and am not totally sold that it exists now.

And this entire argument holds no weight with me in reference to iTunes.


victor infante - Nov 09, 2007 11:48:59 am PST #7716 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

It's a promotion!!

I do love how DailyShow.com has a direct link to the head writer's NY Daily News editorial, Why I went from punch lines to the picket line. As always, the house that Stewart built remains a class act.


bon bon - Nov 09, 2007 11:51:58 am PST #7717 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

If there's no digital revenue, then why are the studios so reluctant to give it up?

Exactly! 2.5% of nothing is still nothing. You'd think they'd be more than happy to, like, grant their demands and then laugh at the fruitlessness.

Both sides are very familiar with the example of home video. Studios initially tried to make home video illegal, and the WGA didn't predict what a huge revenue source it would become, either. Both sides are viewing digital through that lens. So the studios, no matter how much they protest, don't actually view the request as a percentage of nothing, and for god's sake, the WGA is not striking over the potential to make 2.5% of nothing.


§ ita § - Nov 09, 2007 11:57:10 am PST #7718 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So the studios, no matter how much they protest, don't actually view the request as a percentage of nothing

Then can you make them stop saying it?


Polter-Cow - Nov 09, 2007 12:04:59 pm PST #7719 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

That said, the argument I have been given is that the current costs far outweigh the revenue.

I don't understand what sort of costs could go into providing digital copies of an episode and allocating some bandwidth that are more than the cost of manufacturing DVDs and packaging and then shipping them and all that other business.


Tamara - Nov 09, 2007 12:12:27 pm PST #7720 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

I don't either, PC, but I got into a pretty heated argument about it with a co-worker last night. I was just saying that is the current argument, not that anyone should lend it any credence.


Polter-Cow - Nov 09, 2007 12:23:12 pm PST #7721 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

John Rogers has a really good post.

I'm still a little confused about the AMPTP's offer for digital media. Some places, I've heard they offered the DVD rate, and others, I've heard that once the WGA asked for 2.5%, they countered with zero percent. Is there some sort of a timeline issue here that I'm missing?


Kristen - Nov 09, 2007 12:25:52 pm PST #7722 of 10001

For downloads only, they've offered the DVD rate.

For streaming content, even if it's ad supported, they've offered zero.