Angel: If I'm not back in a couple of hours— Gunn: You're dead, we're screwed, end of the world.

'Underneath'


The Minearverse 5: Closer to the Earth, Further from the Ax  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Wolfram - Nov 05, 2007 7:40:00 am PST #7430 of 10001
Visilurking

The last two paragraphs of this article ( [link] ) sum up the AMPTP's main gripes:

Studios argue that it is too early to know how much money they can make from offering entertainment on the Internet and on cell phones, iPods and other devices.

Like any new venture, there are going to be a lot of unknowns. Paying writers a residual may actually help them control initial costs. Using the excuse that they don't know how profitable a venture will be should only be effective on demands for a higher scale.

Producers are also uncertain whether consumers prefer a pay-per-view model over an advertising-supported system. They say they want the economic flexibility to experiment as consumer habits change in reaction to technology.

Either model will either be profitable or not profitable. Writers want residuals on the profits. Economic flexibility is another way of saying they want the milk for free so they don't have to worry about satisfying the cow.

This is why the WGA is on strike. Because the AMPTP actually believes this horseshit.


Trudy Booth - Nov 05, 2007 7:44:22 am PST #7431 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

"We don't know how much we're going to make so we can't pay our employees."

Sure, that makes sense. I know that's what my firm does. t eye. roll. for. evah.


Jessica - Nov 05, 2007 7:50:15 am PST #7432 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Like any new venture, there are going to be a lot of unknowns. Paying writers a residual may actually help them control initial costs. Using the excuse that they don't know how profitable a venture will be should only be effective on demands for a higher scale.

It's a bullshit excuse in any case because it's not like iTunes (just for example) is some nebulous possibility for the future - there is content for sale online right now. Whether or not it's a successful revenue stream doesn't change the fact consumers and advertisers are paying for online content. Some of that money is owed to the content creators, end of story.


Kevin - Nov 05, 2007 7:52:16 am PST #7433 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

I think they're, ultimately, querying how much money is owed to content creators.


Polter-Cow - Nov 05, 2007 7:55:39 am PST #7434 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Right, but why not pick a non-zero number now to satisfy the writers' demands? They can always renegotiate later, can't they?


Kevin - Nov 05, 2007 7:57:14 am PST #7435 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

0.001%?

I can't speak from any WGA experience (uh, obviously), but from what I've seen with unions and corporations before, they'll make a non-zero number offer at some point soon, and it'll be absolutely shite.


Tom Scola - Nov 05, 2007 8:16:42 am PST #7436 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

NYT article on the picket line in NY: [link]


Kevin - Nov 05, 2007 8:17:49 am PST #7437 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Tina Fey FTW.


Polter-Cow - Nov 05, 2007 8:23:57 am PST #7438 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Hee. Someone on my flist was perusing the TV Tropes wiki for How to Kill a Character:

7. Hire Tim Minear.

And, hee:

Quote from the The New York Times:

"To fans of the WB's recently canceled Angel, the writer Tim Minear is known affectionately as the Tim Reaper: the master of the fatal plot twist."


Jesse - Nov 05, 2007 8:25:07 am PST #7439 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

They have a big rat out! I love the big rat. Do they have that other places?