Right. Sir. Honey.

Zoe ,'The Train Job'


The Minearverse 5: Closer to the Earth, Further from the Ax  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Kevin - Nov 02, 2007 3:49:42 pm PDT #7358 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

so the money I pay to iTunes goes... where?

The deals aren't public, but NBC (and, I think, 20th Century Fox) recently claimed Apple takes 50%. The studio takes the rest. The writers are getting seriously fucked by the existing deals, which were (obviously) put together before this technology even existed.


sarameg - Nov 02, 2007 4:03:38 pm PDT #7359 of 10001

Someone go stand by Kristen with a fire extinguisher! We wanna keep her!


sarameg - Nov 02, 2007 4:04:05 pm PDT #7360 of 10001

Oooh, or misters like outdoor restaurants have!


Juliebird - Nov 02, 2007 4:23:58 pm PDT #7361 of 10001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I don't see how an existing deal (existing before such things as iTunes) can even begin to apply to present day distribution.

On perhaps a related note, how do inventors working for a company make out on a new product that the company I believe then owns the intellectual rights to, does the original inventor get residuals on all sales of the product?


libkitty - Nov 02, 2007 4:29:56 pm PDT #7362 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

I think it depends on the deal that they work out ahead of time, Juliebird. I don't really know, but I think most inventors that invent for companies don't have standard contracts, just whatever deal they can work out. Most of the deals I've heard of aren't that good and the inventor gets pretty close to bupkiss.

Kevin, if any of those blank signs pics are online, link please!


Typo Boy - Nov 02, 2007 4:31:44 pm PDT #7363 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

On perhaps a related note, how do inventors working for a company make out on a new product that the company I believe then owns the intellectual rights to, does the original inventor get residuals on all sales of the product?

It depends on the contract: but 99.999% of the time the answer is no. However inventors (normally designers and engineers) working for a company normally get a salary, day in and day out. And it is normally part of a long term deal where engineers and designers work for the same company for decades at a time, and get health insurance and pension and paid vacation. I would not describe anyone as exactly secure these days. But compared to engineers in manufacturing industries, writers share a great deal more of the day to day risks of the film and video industry.


Jesse - Nov 02, 2007 4:33:15 pm PDT #7364 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

According to this blog, streaming video gets counted as "promotional" and not as an airing (or whatever) for residual purposes, which means no residuals at all. And the video deal was already crappy, since it hasn't changed since before anyone knew if VHS would catch on.


§ ita § - Nov 02, 2007 4:38:36 pm PDT #7365 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Work for hire can become a messy term that includes much of what you do during your employ and the firm taking possession of it.

Works Made for Hire. -- (1) a work prepared by an employee within the scope of his or her employment; or (2) a work specially ordered or commissioned for use as a contribution to a collective work, as a part of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, as a translation, as a supplementary work, as a compilation, as an instructional text, as a test, as answer material for a test, or as an atlas, if the parties expressly agree in a written instrument signed by them that the work shall be considered a work made for hire. (17 U.S.C. sec 101)

That whole "within the scope" thing can be played with.

Essentially your boss owns it, and you get what piece of that they allocate you. Except there are scenarios where actors get a piece of the pie, but the writers don't, even though the actors are saying things the writers gave them.

Me, I'm all about consistency from case to case.


hippocampus - Nov 02, 2007 5:05:04 pm PDT #7366 of 10001
not your mom's socks.

Work for hire can become a messy term that includes much of what you do during your employ and the firm taking possession of it.

second that. emphasis on messy.


Polter-Cow - Nov 02, 2007 6:58:59 pm PDT #7367 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I'm watching the Attack of the Show interview of Joss regarding the Angel box set, and Blair Butler asks him what his favorite episode is. This is his answer:

I think I'm gonna go with "Darla," the one that was a companion piece to "Fool for Love" on Buffy. Darla's life as told by Tim Minear. He really...he found some truths about her and about vampires and about what the show was.