Last season there were hostiles and an Agent Finn, among others.

Surely, 24 had "hostiles" before Fury joined up?

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I had to check, and according to IMDB Jane did write an ep of the new Andy Richter series. I’ll have to catch it, if it lasts to the 4th ep, because there was an article about it in the Times today and the concept is kinda “Superstar.” Without the magic. I had a huge crush on Jane. You know, the kind of crush one has for a TV writer one has never met.

And I loved Doug, too. And according to the same IMDB he’s been a co-exec on CSI. Who knew? When I think about Doug’s eps I think of water. I don’t mean that in a bad way, but it’s like there wasn’t a Doug stamp on an ep; his stories flowed clean within the arc.

And after not having watched any Buffy for a long time, the other week I watched the trifecta again, Surprise, Innocence, and Passion. I mention this for two reasons- it was fun to experience the headlong rush again, the momentum of those stories, the emotion and the impact and the sheer randy fun of them. I enjoyed recalling sitting in front of the set way back when, amazed that so much had happened in an hour that had passed so quickly. And I also mention this because of Kristen.

I’m swear to God I’m remembering this right, and hope she wouldn’t mind me mentioning it, but a long long time ago, on a board far far away, Kristin cited the scene between Joyce and Buffy at the end of Innocence as... something like an inspiration. Like, this is what she wanted to do. Write stuff like that. The end of Innocence, from Buffy and Giles in the car, to Joyce and Buffy on the couch, is one of the best ten or whatever minutes of TV I’ve ever seen, and somehow seeing that again and remembering that about Kristen tied together for me the shows we love, the fandom cool and crazy, the writers we crush on, the lives on-line we get to watch, and showed it to all be worthwhile.

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You know, the kind of crush one has for a TV writer one has never met.

Who? Us? What do we know from the people who make the shows?

(I don't think before Buffy I'd ever much paid attention to who write, directed and ran the shows I liked. Ah, the oblivious old days.)

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Oh, those days, Cass! Buffy changed the way I watched television.

I didn't think much of Doug Petrie initially, but I loved his commentaries, which made me appreciate him more. I like a guy who sees his name on the screen and thinks it should have little sparkles around it.

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If you want to watch any of the 6 episodes of Andy Barker, P.I. (including the 4th episode in the US- I don't think it works elswhere) go here:
Andy

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I had a huge crush on Jane. You know, the kind of crush one has for a TV writer one has never met.

Had? Is it over? You and your JE crush were my OTP. Whenever I read her blog, I wonder if you're reading it too, and then I start thinking about Willow's hats. It's a thing.

I’m swear to God I’m remembering this right, and hope she wouldn’t mind me mentioning it, but a long long time ago, on a board far far away, Kristin cited the scene between Joyce and Buffy at the end of Innocence as... something like an inspiration. Like, this is what she wanted to do. Write stuff like that. The end of Innocence, from Buffy and Giles in the car, to Joyce and Buffy on the couch, is one of the best ten or whatever minutes of TV I’ve ever seen, and somehow seeing that again and remembering that about Kristen tied together for me the shows we love, the fandom cool and crazy, the writers we crush on, the lives on-line we get to watch, and showed it to all be worthwhile.

That's wonderful. It's before my time, but I love knowing stuff like that.

I didn't think much of Doug Petrie initially, but I loved his commentaries, which made me appreciate him more. I like a guy who sees his name on the screen and thinks it should have little sparkles around it.

Heh. Doug did some stunning work though, P-C. Revelations, Bad Girls, Enemies, This Year's Girl, The Yoko Factor, Fool For Love, Checkpoint (with Jane -- this is one of my therapeutic-for-me episodes). There's more, but the point is, I love the Petrie. In addition to what little bam bam said, Doug Petrie had a real flair for Faith, and gave good characterization, all around.

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True story -- I never really used to pay much attention to who wrote TV. Like, at all, really (although nowadays reading the credits is a must for me). I mean, "Passion". That -- to me -- is one of the best Buffy episodes, as it's one which really pushes Giles as a character, and the group emotionally. And Buffy. But I never paid attention to who wrote it. The thing which made me pay attention was, in actual fact, Tim Minear. He used to post on UTMA years ago, and I used to find his posts fun and interesting, and usually spot on about Angel The Series and the character. And, after a while, I realised something: he wrote for the show, I'm a bit dense for not noticing, and that I liked waffles (and waffling).

Personally, I think there's a realisation that the writers hold the power in TV, which isn't apparent if you don't know that fact. But as a viewer, you'll notice, and if you do it changes the way you appreciate shows, and TV generally.

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Personally, I think there's a realisation that the writers hold the power in TV, which isn't apparent if you don't know that fact.

That really depends on the show. For ME shows the writer is king. That's not always the case.

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Well, in theory, it should be the case, unless the cast are also producers. In practice, I've no idea how these things work.

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unless the cast are also producers

Why do you single out the cast? There can be other non-writer types who get to make serious calls.

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