Angel: Connor, this is Spike and Illyria. Guys, this is Connor. Connor: Hi. umm...I like your outfit. Illyria: Your body warms. This one is lusting after me. Connor: Oh...no, I--I--it's just that it's the outfit. I guess I've had a thing for older women. Angel: They were supposed to fix that.

'Origin'


The Minearverse 5: Closer to the Earth, Further from the Ax  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Kevin - Jan 12, 2007 10:26:35 am PST #3170 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

I know a few people outside of fandom circles who have seen The Inside in real life on ITV4, and they said The Inside was too dark for them.

ETA: Although that said, there's so many popular crime shows where the victims are raped every single week, I'm not sure the theory holds up.


§ ita § - Jan 12, 2007 10:29:30 am PST #3171 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

there's so many popular crime shows where the victims are raped every single week, I'm not sure the theory holds up

L&O SVU or CSI victims rarely evoke an emotional response from me--I've lost touch with whether or not they're supposed to. Despite the weekly murder and rape, I couldn't call them dark. Gross sometimes, but not dark.


Tamara - Jan 12, 2007 10:32:54 am PST #3172 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

My first thought was, "Hey, that's against Prison Break !" Then I remembered that PB was on Fox, which means: perfect!!

Yeah, PB's season finale is March 19th, and 24 is supposed to be two hours on March 26th. Then the timeslot is open for TV's Hit Drive on April 2nd.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 12, 2007 10:50:24 am PST #3173 of 10001
What is even happening?

It would be possible to set up some really great viral marketing websites for Drive about The Race and such, very similar to what ABC does with Lost. See also: Heroes. I have toyed with this idea myself, but I don't want to step on the networks toes --
Yeah, because FOX stomps back. I remember (the studio, not the network) going after Buffy fan-run spoiler sites. It was either during season 6 or 7. It was ridiculous.

I know a few people outside of fandom circles who have seen The Inside in real life on ITV4, and they said The Inside was too dark for them.

It got much too dark for me. Not for Scott, though. He was disappointed he didn't get to see Tim kill him -- still claims he's not dead until it airs on network TV. I thought The Inside was well done, but I just didn't want to be thinking about the stories. t /baby


aurelia - Jan 12, 2007 11:02:25 am PST #3174 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

What is it that makes a crime show "too dark"? The music, the lighting, the emphasis on the psyche of the criminal? The psyche of the investigators?

Of course, I loved Millennium. The Inside seemed to fall somewhere between that and Profiler to me.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 12, 2007 11:06:16 am PST #3175 of 10001
What is even happening?

I think it was a little bit of everything for me, aurelia. I've never had that reaction, before. Maybe because of Becky's background, and Web's ambiguity, and the fact that they were getting inside the criminals heads. I think The Inside was done more convincingly than I can remember seeing before, and for me, that might have been what made it too much. The nature of the crimes was pretty grizzly, too, from what I recall.

I did love the one with the little girl, though.


Polter-Cow - Jan 12, 2007 11:12:16 am PST #3176 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

The nature of the crimes was pretty grizzly

You mean grisly, Cindy.

Unless you do mean Law and Order: Special Bears Unit.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 12, 2007 11:13:01 am PST #3177 of 10001
What is even happening?

Didn't you see that one with the bears?


Vortex - Jan 12, 2007 11:16:14 am PST #3178 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

So, it's Crimes Against Hairy Gay Men now?


Kevin - Jan 12, 2007 11:19:38 am PST #3179 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Some of the characters and stories were on the too dark side for me, for a TV show. In a movie, I'd be fine with it. Why? Not sure off hand.

A majority of the episodes were fine with me, though. I did find Becky's character far too inaccessible at the beginning, but that wasn't to do with darkness.