Bless you, or ~ma you, or smooch you. Whatever works in your world view, baby.

I left out a huge NOT there.

idly wonders what Freud would say about that typo...

"Sometimes a typo is just a typo" perhaps? Granted, I never bought it about the cigar.

It's all dark outside now.

That's your world view, Gud.

Hush you, Frank. In my defense, I was rewording, which is when I make about 99% of my typos. Everything's fine; I decide to tweak it; I screw it up, royally.

I think morals and religion can be (but aren't always) separate entities with the degree of separation relative to the specific individual. Some derive their morals entirely from their religion, and some choose their religion based entirely on how well the religion fits their pre-existing morals. And some, probably most, of us are somewhere in between.

To say that all a person's morals derive from their world view is, I think, a little simplistic. I think some morals can derive from a person's character, and in the absence of any world view, I think one person may behave well and another badly based on disposition alone. Hell, even animals have dispositions, and they certainly aren't capable of anything resembling a sophisticated world view.

I think one true test of whether your religion informs your morals, or vice versa, is whether you would behave in a way that's contrary to your morals if dictated by your religion.

That's your world view, Gud.

More like my window view. I think it's sunny someplace in the world.

I actually didn't even realize that you had written it incorrectly, I read what you intended.

This is only tangential to the topic, but it made me think about it. Something I have a hard time getting my head around is why anyone (but specifically people I like and respect that I know in real life) would care whether or not gay people get married. I don't want to get into a debate about it here, but I'm more looking at it from the point of view of understanding other people and me being more tolerant (because I have problems sometimes being tolerant of people not as liberal as I am). I strive to understand. And often, when you get to the root of it it somes down to either "It is just wrong" or "God says it is wrong", which means that something in this person's moral compass is butting up against the "Who does it hurt?" in mine. And I long to figure out what that is.... I am not even sure if anyone here can help me with that, but I am in some ways fascinated and some ways frustrated when meatspace family members just don't think like I do!

I think it's sunny someplace in the world.

Here!

Something I have a hard time getting my head around is why anyone (but specifically people I like and respect that I know in real life) would care whether or not gay people get married.

You can find several Bible passages that indicate that homosexuality is wrong so there's that. Then there's people who get all squicked out about the idea of two guys having sex together. Then there's tradition.

I think one true test of whether your religion informs your morals, or vice versa, is whether you would behave in a way that's contrary to your morals if dictated by your religion.

I think Wolfram has just shed some light on the above question I had-- my family/older friends are religious in a religion that frowns upon homosexuality (Catholicism). I always that Jesus didn't really follow his religion, so if we are taking him as an example.... But then, I am a blasphemer who has a soft spot in my heart for Judas (too much Jesus Christ Superstar).