The whole earth may be sucked into Hell, and you want my help 'cause your girlfriend's a big ho?

Buffy ,'Chosen'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Steph L. - Jun 30, 2009 7:53:41 am PDT #9438 of 28404
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

The creepiest think about Wuthering Heights that's stuck with me lo these many years is something that a prof. put forth in college: Heathcliff and Cathy were step-siblings.

His reasoning was that Cathy's father brought urchin!Heathcliff home to live with them, but -- why that specific child? Surely there were umpteen urchins from which he could have chosen, so in picking Heathcliff, he must have had a reason, such as fathering an illegitimate child with some random woman.

Now, I don't think that Heathcliff and Cathy being step-siblings is textually supported, but if it were true, it's an extra layer of both creepy AND crazy.


Steph L. - Jun 30, 2009 7:54:53 am PDT #9439 of 28404
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Fiennes is way to clean cut for the role, imho and too light haired.

Yeah, but -- clean-cut and light-haired can be altered with no problem.


Tom Scola - Jun 30, 2009 7:56:04 am PDT #9440 of 28404
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Step-siblings or half-siblings?


Vonnie K - Jun 30, 2009 7:56:39 am PDT #9441 of 28404
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

...actually, the obvious choice to play Heathcliff is Sean Bean. I mean, he's from South Yorkshire, not North Yorkshire, but what's a few miles between friends? He'd be awesome. Who to put opposite him...hmm...that's the thing, it should be someone who hits you with her strength of character first and foremost, not her fragile beauty.

Sean Bean would be AWESOME as Heathcliff. For Cathy, I propose Emily Watson. (Come to think of it, Bean and Watson were in that pretty-but-stupid movie, Equilibrium, together as lovers, but we never got to watch them together since it was pre-movie.) Watson's got the acting chops and the intensity, and she could be ferocious when needed.


Amy - Jun 30, 2009 7:57:29 am PDT #9442 of 28404
Because books.

who views you as an equal, and who scares the crap out of other people but not out of you because you are so utterly two halves of the same whole - I can see the appeal of that. But that isn't the same as finding that character inherently appealing. It's the dynamic that's appealing, I think. It's just that people mistake the two.

So much this. It's a bit of train wreck, these two utterly crazy people who are so clearly suited for no one but each other, and cut this swath of destruction through the world because of it -- it's sort of awesomely terrifying and gorgeous in its own way, like a tornado or a hurricane.

I always felt like I might want *someone* to love me like that, before realizing what that might actually mean (i.e., when I was, like, ten).


Dana - Jun 30, 2009 7:59:34 am PDT #9443 of 28404
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

HE KILLS PUPPIES.


Steph L. - Jun 30, 2009 7:59:50 am PDT #9444 of 28404
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Step-siblings or half-siblings?

Yikes! Half!

Thanks for rescuing me from my brain fuzziness. Maybe cutting out sugar was a bad idea. My brain is STARVING!


sj - Jun 30, 2009 8:00:07 am PDT #9445 of 28404
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Sean Bean would be AWESOME as Heathcliff. For Cathy, I propose Emily Watson.

This I would watch.


Barb - Jun 30, 2009 8:02:49 am PDT #9446 of 28404
“Not dead yet!”

It's the dynamic that's appealing, I think. It's that people mistake the two.

Abso-fucking-lutely.

...of course, I may be talking total bollocks.

Oh hell no. You make total sense.

it's sort of awesomely terrifying and gorgeous in its own way, like a tornado or a hurricane.

That scene from Angel during the Boxer Rebellion-- Angelus, Darla, Spike, carrying Dru all in slow motion through the flames and chaos. Beauty amidst utter destruction.


Fay - Jun 30, 2009 8:07:45 am PDT #9447 of 28404
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

I can kind of see that, actually - Fiennes is intense and a bit mad, but he's also very Southern and very posh. Or at least that's his image as an actor. Ditto Olivier. And Heathcliff is, in class terms, the equivalent of some roughneck Texas cowboy.

I found Fiennes' physicality unconvincing, and I just couldn't get past all my previous associations with him in other roles. I was acutely conscious that he was pretending, which is really the last thing you want to be thinking when you're watching a performance (although at least it wasn't as hilariously bad as poor Juliette Binoche, whom I love, but who had absolutely no business at all playing that role, bless her).

Sean Bean. Wow. It's never crossed my mind before, but I'm kind of astounded it hasn't happened before now - I mean, fuck, Heathcliff is like THE strapping alpha male Yorkshire (anti)hero, and Bean is THE strapping alpha male Yorkshire actor. Why hasn't somebody made this already?