Mal: Take your people and go. Captain: You would have done the same. Mal: We can already see I haven't.

'Out Of Gas'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Tom Scola - Dec 11, 2008 6:20:05 am PST #8111 of 28427
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

That just might be the best Dinosaur Comics ever. Including all the rollovers.


Consuela - Dec 11, 2008 5:55:11 pm PST #8112 of 28427
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

This is a really awesome essay on "Twilight" and its appeal to young girls: [link]

Basically, the premise is that it's a wish-fulfillment fantasy in the way that Bella is functionally independent and taking power for herself, in ways that the target audience (girls 14-16) can't yet. Fascinating, well-argued. I'm almost convinced.


§ ita § - Dec 12, 2008 9:25:32 am PST #8113 of 28427
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Fascinating, well-argued. I'm almost convinced.

I haven't read Twilight, but isn't it reasonably common for YA protagonists to to have more independence than the readers?


Barb - Dec 12, 2008 9:26:52 am PST #8114 of 28427
“Not dead yet!”

I haven't read Twilight, but isn't it reasonably common for YA protagonists to to have more independence than the readers?

Yerp. Hence the orphan or missing parent or emotionally absent parent as a trope.


Strix - Dec 13, 2008 8:26:49 am PST #8115 of 28427
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

You know, what frustrates me about the fantasy books that get really big (HP, Eragon, Twilight) is how they're seized upon as some big revolutionary thing, and scholarly treatises and essays are written on them, etc, blah blah blah. I really noticed it with HP, and I was flambozzled; I was all like "Why THIS series? It's not new, it's not revolutionary -- it's really pretty typical for the genre and there are other series and protags who I enjoy quite a bit more - why THIS one?"

And Eragon just made me grit my teeth and spit. Oooh, a kid wrote it, ooh. It's still derivitive and rather plodding and boring.

And there approx. 12 YA vampire series that are far more worthy of adulation than Twilight.

I call it the LCD effect and try to ignore it, but it bugs me, as a long-time reader of excellent AND crappy adult and YA fantasy, ans as the acquaintance of several authors in the genre who are much more deserving of fame and loads of payola.


Steph L. - Dec 13, 2008 8:33:36 am PST #8116 of 28427
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

LCD effect

Liquid crystal display?


dcp - Dec 13, 2008 8:35:47 am PST #8117 of 28427
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

...why THIS one?"

Very much in agreement wrt the Harry Potter series. I still wonder what the tipping point was that made it take off the way it did, compared to others.

Haven't tried the Twilight series.

LCD as in "lowest common denominator"?


Strix - Dec 13, 2008 8:38:58 am PST #8118 of 28427
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

LCD as in "lowest common denominator"?

Yep, possibly the only voluntary math meets lit ref you'll ever see me make.

And I still wonder what the tipping point was that made it take off the way it did, compared to others. yes, this. I don't think it was awful and I found lots of it enjoyable, but I don't get the panting adulation. It was...fine, okay, entertaining, but not, IMO, extraordinary. Except in its reception.


Steph L. - Dec 13, 2008 8:43:21 am PST #8119 of 28427
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

LCD as in "lowest common denominator"?

Yep, possibly the only voluntary math meets lit ref you'll ever see me make.

Oh, DUH.

I blame the percocet.


Strix - Dec 13, 2008 8:45:14 am PST #8120 of 28427
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Don't diss the perc. LOVE the perc. CUDDLE the perc to yer heavin' buzzum.