Tracy: 'When you can't run, you crawl... and when you can't crawl, when you can't do that--' Zoe: 'You find someone to carry you.'

'The Message'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Jesse - Nov 24, 2008 7:43:23 am PST #8063 of 28427
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

(Jesse, you said exactly what I wanted to say but much smarterer.)

Woo hoo!

I will say, I found the book difficult but worthwhile, and agree with lisah about the end.


Strix - Nov 24, 2008 1:35:18 pm PST #8064 of 28427
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I love footnotes! And endnotes! But I mostly love 'em in bios, and am also am an ginnormous geekface.


Toddson - Nov 24, 2008 2:17:04 pm PST #8065 of 28427
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

Footnotes are, in general, a Good Thing. However, it's a bit disconcerting to find one in the middle of a hot sex scene. Coitus interruptus, indeed.


Kat - Nov 24, 2008 4:36:19 pm PST #8066 of 28427
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I will say, I found the book difficult but worthwhile, and agree with lisah about the end.

I agree with qualifications. I don't mind the spanish just there in the flow because that's what it IS like to talk to my students who are bilingual. I also didn't mind the footnotes at all. Sometimes I chose to completely ignore them and sometimes I found them elucidating and interesting.

I didn't like the novel as much because I wanted to smack Oscar and the ending just made me roll my eyes. Lola (that's the sister right?) LOVED her. But Oscar just irked me.

Tangentially, I liked Drown so much better which has that same mix of spanish and english but is short stories and therefore serves a different niche for me.

I do think it's totally worthwhile even if not my thing - thing.


Consuela - Nov 24, 2008 5:58:12 pm PST #8067 of 28427
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell has footnotes, and I loved it. And them. So does The Princess Bride, if I am not mistaken -- although possibly they're editorial notes, I forget.

I have yet to read Oscar Wao, though I did see Junot Diaz interviewed on the Colbert Report a month or so back.


Sue - Nov 24, 2008 6:19:54 pm PST #8068 of 28427
hip deep in pie

I can't believe that we've gotten this far without mentioning David Foster Wallace. I will admit that I never got through Infinite Jest, but I love his essays, and he has same awesome footnotes.

The Harper's Version of his cruise essay can be found here: [link]

Which contains at one point, this footnote:

31 !


erikaj - Nov 24, 2008 6:58:34 pm PST #8069 of 28427
Always Anti-fascist!

I tried, but in the end, for all of its truly brilliant bits, and there are, believe me, I just wanted to be like Deb by the end and say "Sorry about your penis." Which, now that he's dead, feels awful. But a thousand pages? Really?


Polter-Cow - Nov 24, 2008 9:19:26 pm PST #8070 of 28427
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Lola (that's the sister right?) LOVED her.

She was my favorite character, yeah.

Which contains at one point, this footnote:

31 !

Hee. That's adorable.


Pix - Nov 24, 2008 10:00:13 pm PST #8071 of 28427
The status is NOT quo.

Also, I really appreciated the comment someone posted here about hearing Diaz speak (or reading an interview or something), and his saying that he did stuff on purpose so that no one who wasn't a Dominican uber-geek would get everything -- that was to make the reader have the immigrant experience of basically understanding what was going on, while at the same time knowing you were missing out on nuance.

That was me. He was at the Key West Literary Conference I attended last year, and I was really impressed by him.


Barb - Nov 25, 2008 1:48:05 am PST #8072 of 28427
“Not dead yet!”

his saying that he did stuff on purpose so that no one who wasn't a Dominican uber-geek would get everything -- that was to make the reader have the immigrant experience of basically understanding what was going on, while at the same time knowing you were missing out on nuance.

I've been ruminating on this statement some more, from the writer's perspective as opposed to the reader's, and it helped me understand something, at least how it relates to me. I'm still trying to parse it out, so forgive me if it rambles a bit. It also still pertains to reading and genre, so that's why I'm keeping it here instead of moving over to GWW--

Anyhow, I think a statement like this-- this conscious exercise in keeping the reader at a remove-- I think this is why as a writer, I'll never be quote/unquote literary. As difficult as it is to define "what is literary?" I think this sort of extreme selfishness is one thing I would consider to be a literary hallmark. I mean, writing is a very selfish, even arrogant, pursuit, one where the writer has their story to tell and no one else can tell it in the same manner they can, for good or bad. But what Díaz is describing takes that sort of selfishness several steps further. He's telling his story the only way he can and by his own words, he's only telling it for himself. Really only a Dominican uber-geek is going to get every single reference and how many of them are there?

And therein lies the difference. While I'm a selfish writer who wants to tell my stories, I want to tell them for a greater audience-- I want make my stories accessible, whereas I think a lot of literary authors don't give a rat's patoot about the greater audience. Either you get it or you don't. I don't know-- this may require a bit more ruminating. And coffee.

Already ETA: I really admire that, in a way-- I know it's something I'll never be able to do, my mind doesn't work that way. Even if I have a certain facility with language, I'm a far more prosaic writer, so I can really admire anyone with that sort of gift.