So there is something I can do, besides scream like a woman?

Wesley ,'Chosen'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


lisah - Jun 26, 2006 9:40:35 am PDT #705 of 28061
Punishingly Intricate

Now I'm wondering if I should try to get the miniseries from Netflix first, though.

I really did find it highly entertaining and satisfying until the very last 1/2 hour episode.


Nutty - Jun 26, 2006 9:46:31 am PDT #706 of 28061
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Lisah, yeah, Esther getting anything is not the point, and it's very like Jarndyce v. Jarndyce. All that foment and heartbreak, when a bit of eye-to-eye and honesty would have cleared up so much. Having a relationship with her mother mattered much more than anything financial, and I always thought that sequence, the chase across the city in search of "the mother of the dead child" was such a modern bit of writing. So much of Dickens isn't, is so glaringly 19th C., but that bit is. As long as Esther has a nice doctor to marry, and good friends, and a virtue to uphold, getting the money isn't what matters. Richard is the counterexample, of going so hard after the money that everything else falls away. So many of Dickens's protagonists end up the same way: safely middle-class, or rich but with middle-class values.

In Nicholas Nickleby, Nicholas's benefactors, the brothers Cheeryble, are industrialists from the lower class, and there is constant astonishment by both characters and authors that they should be so delicate of feeling and refined. They were fated to become rich, and to marry their nephew to Kate, because they already acted like they were middle-class without being born to it! OMG!!

There's a certain amount of irritating self-satisfaction in Dickens that way, even as he skewers various aspects of the middle-class social bubble of his time.


lisah - Jun 26, 2006 9:55:49 am PDT #707 of 28061
Punishingly Intricate

Thanks, Nutty. I guessed that might be the case and I guess should be satisfied with it (at least I am happy that Esther ends up happy and loved).


Polter-Cow - Jun 26, 2006 11:24:29 am PDT #708 of 28061
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Harry Potter fans, stay away from Yahoo! I hear there's a big spoiler for the last book just splashed on the front page in a headline.


Kathy A - Jun 26, 2006 11:51:28 am PDT #709 of 28061
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Not having seen it (thanks for the warning!) I still doubt very much it's a legit spoiler--JKR has done a remarkable job on keeping the lid on plot points quiet, especially this far before a book is published. Now, if that spoiler is more speculation, like the ones flying around the internet about Dumbledore dying before HBP was published, that's something else entirely.


Jesse - Jun 26, 2006 11:54:46 am PDT #710 of 28061
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

It's not much of a spoiler, I think, and it's out of the mouth of JKRowling. Here's what it is: JKR said at least two characters will die in the last book, but she's not saying who.


Polter-Cow - Jun 26, 2006 11:55:34 am PDT #711 of 28061
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

JKR has done a remarkable job on keeping the lid on plot points quiet

My intel says that the headline is actually "Rowling: [spoiler] in last HP book," which sounds like she's specifically letting it out for some godforsaken reason.


brenda m - Jun 26, 2006 11:55:44 am PDT #712 of 28061
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

It's from an interview with JKR, so I'd guess legit. That said, it's quite non-specific - very general plot rather than anything character specific. What's our whitefont rule around here?


Jessica - Jun 26, 2006 12:03:29 pm PDT #713 of 28061
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

That's an old spoiler, if you can even call it that.


Kathy A - Jun 26, 2006 12:09:13 pm PDT #714 of 28061
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I read Jesse's whitefont, and that's not much of a spoiler, just enough to tease the reader. Actually, it's pretty much on par with what I imagined would be happening (she doesn't avoid darker territory, especially in the later books). I do like the way that she writes the books to be progressively more dense, plotwise, as well as taking the characters into the greyer life of adulthood.

Reminds me of what Laura Ingalls Wilder (and her daughter, Rose, if you believe the ghostwriter allegations about her) did in the Little House books--from On the Shores of Silver Lake on, those books really delve into adult life as seen from an adolescent's eyes, albeit an adolescent who is forced to shoulder adult responsibilities (taking care of her blind sister, worrying with Ma over the dangerous mob of railroad workers, then helping to run an impromptu boarding house to make money for Mary's school fund).