I am not having sex with Spike! But I'm starting to think that you might be.

Buffy ,'Dirty Girls'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Barb - Aug 12, 2008 5:53:29 am PDT #6947 of 28385
“Not dead yet!”

More Breaking Dawn blather: From an interview with Meyer herself

Question: How was Bella's pregnancy possible? — Deep

Meyer: One of the longest things about this last year is that I've been reading all these quotes that people have been attributing to me that I never said. I had a rough draft of [this story] by the beginning of 2004, so before I ever did a tour or answered any questions or did an interview, I knew where the story was going. ... When people said, "Hey, can vampires have babies?" I always said no, because female vampires don't change at all, and it takes a lot of change for your body to accommodate a fetus, so it's not possible. But I never said anything about the part that I knew was coming. ... It is true ... there's a whole chromosomal-count difference, but venom works a lot of different ways, so for me, it always worked just fine.

Oh, well that explains it all

NOT


le nubian - Aug 12, 2008 6:00:09 am PDT #6948 of 28385
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Oh, what horseshit.

"venom" is that what they're calling it these days?


Steph L. - Aug 12, 2008 6:06:18 am PDT #6949 of 28385
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

On the other hand, Joss established fairly strongly that vamps can't have babies, but I really didn't blink when Darla got knocked up by Angel. So there's that.


Jessica - Aug 12, 2008 6:12:29 am PDT #6950 of 28385
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

but I really didn't blink when Darla got knocked up by Angel

But all the characters did, so we (the audience) knew that ME knew they were breaking a rule, and would have to answer for it eventually. There was no retcon involved because it was acknowledged and explained as a wholly new (and unique) situation in that universe.


le nubian - Aug 12, 2008 7:28:26 am PDT #6951 of 28385
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

and...the baby was not a vampire. Not even a half-vampire.


Kat - Aug 12, 2008 7:57:22 am PDT #6952 of 28385
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Well, the characters in Breaking Dawn are baffled that it's possible for her to be pregnant, but then they fuck it up and point out that there are myths where it has happened in the past.

The pregnancy befuddles me, but it isn't a deal breaker. The entire lack of sacrifice and the ultimate wish fulfillment of it all is what makes the book suck.


Calli - Aug 12, 2008 8:03:51 am PDT #6953 of 28385
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

In LKH's books, male vampires who hang out in hot tubs and have sex with non-vampiric women can knock them up. In her universe it's a body temperature thing. The vampires have some metabolic functions, but viable sperm only gets produced at a certain temperature. Which is still horseshit, but I think it's somewhat more plausible horseshit.

Which means that in at least one case Laurel K. Hamilton's vampire theories beat Stephenie Meyers'. For whatever that's worth.


le nubian - Aug 12, 2008 8:22:15 am PDT #6954 of 28385
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

The entire lack of sacrifice and the ultimate wish fulfillment of it all is what makes the book suck.

Well, there's that. But not to mention the baby imprinting on an adult werewolf.

To bring up another issue that makes me cringe.


Barb - Aug 12, 2008 8:37:47 am PDT #6955 of 28385
“Not dead yet!”

I hate the disingenuous nature of her answer. And of course, the de facto nature of putting the onus of pregnancy on the woman.

Not to mention, breaking all her own damned rules.


le nubian - Aug 12, 2008 8:45:39 am PDT #6956 of 28385
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

They don't call Bella "Mary Sue" for nothing.