There are no absolutes. No right and wrong. Haven't you learned anything working for the Powers? There are only choices.

Jasmine ,'Power Play'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Kathy A - Mar 18, 2008 4:50:52 pm PDT #5305 of 28344
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

IIRC, the movie ends with the breakout, and doesn't go into (other than a blurb before the credits) what happened to everyone after they made it to the woods (if they made it, instead of running over one of the land mines). One of the saddest things in the book (to me) is what happened to Leon Feldhelder (played by Alan Arkin in the movie)--he survived in hiding until the Soviets liberated that part of Poland, but when he returned to his hometown, along with the few other camp survivors from that town, they were massacred in a pogram before VE day.

A slightly more uplifting (well, revengeful) tale is of Schlomo, the young jewelrymaker who joined the partisans after escape, and then moved to Brazil after the war. When he found out in the news that one of the head SS guards from the camp had been in hiding also in Brazil and was being held for extradition around 1960, he visited him in prison and made sure that they had the right guy. They did, and then let him go (corruption and connections), but he was mysteriously killed soon after release. The author asked Schlomo about that incident, and he had nothing to say about it but definitely hinted that he might have had a hand in the death.


sarameg - Mar 18, 2008 4:55:29 pm PDT #5306 of 28344

This'll probably be hamhanded, but:

brenda, I get it and suspect I am like you. The Witnessing thing was a HUGE part of my upbringing. I don't know how that's informed my ability to pursue this kind of lit, but it is a strong tradition I was raised with. I also get how it's hard to say "this is important to me to read" without it sounding like, well, gorging. It isn't that. It just feels necessary. As I was listing those books, I was thinking "man, sounds like I'm reading this stuff because I get some sort of emotional high or low off this or some sort of woo-woo cred, and it isn't that. It's that it makes me angry and sorrowful and it matters, damnit. If I don't know I'm lesser (not to say that others aren't. Just me. Double standards and all that.)" I'm a huge student of history, in all its ugliness.

That said, I'm terrified of reading Nanking. I've read enough reviews, heard interviews with the author and it will be really hard.


Kathy A - Mar 18, 2008 4:56:04 pm PDT #5307 of 28344
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

For me the instinct is the opposite, I think - I feel like there's a sort of capital W Witnessing in reading different perspectives on the events.

Me too, brenda. I occasionally will pull out the Holocaust Chronicles massive-tome that I got from the bargain section of Waldenbooks (also available now at B&N) and re-read it for just that reason. It's extremely informative, and can be very depressing, of course.

I've seen The Rape of Nanking at the bookstore, and looked at the (horrific) photos. I do intend to read it eventually to learn the details. (Sadly, Iris Chang committed suicide a few years ago.)


brenda m - Mar 18, 2008 5:03:50 pm PDT #5308 of 28344
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Oh jesus, Kathy. I did not know that. Ugh.

It's slow going - I'm reading a bit at a time and putting it down.

Huh. Wonder if that's why I've been mainlining romance novels recently - keeping a balance of sorts?


DavidS - Mar 18, 2008 5:14:17 pm PDT #5309 of 28344
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Huh. Wonder if that's why I've been mainlining romance novels recently - keeping a balance of sorts?

Romance novels are not the balance to Holocaust literature, I'm pretty sure. Maybe Wodehouse.


brenda m - Mar 18, 2008 5:15:14 pm PDT #5310 of 28344
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

No, Wodehouse would occupy my brain too much, rather than lulling it to sleep.


erikaj - Mar 18, 2008 5:17:10 pm PDT #5311 of 28344
Always Anti-fascist!

Garrison Keillor?


sarameg - Mar 18, 2008 5:19:26 pm PDT #5312 of 28344

Both bad & good romance novels totally are what I used to temper the holy-fuck-we're-awful-creatures. Mind candy.

That and formulaic mysteries.


brenda m - Mar 18, 2008 5:26:08 pm PDT #5313 of 28344
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Garrison Keillor?

Nails. On. A. Chalkboard.


Strega - Mar 18, 2008 5:55:53 pm PDT #5314 of 28344

Amy, I remember that one too! Appalachia, poverty and orphans. With the mentally challenged sister, right?

...Really? He had a sister? Really? They definitely weren't orphans, though. Er... maybe not definitely, but I'm pretty sure. The dogs were Old Dan and Little Ann, and he carried them home in a flour sack and that much I am pretty sure I am not making up. Shit, you are making me question everything I believe about that book.

And not for the first time. My grandparents had a copy and I read it when I was very very young (1st grade?). Or, it turns out, I thought I did. Because then a couple of years later I was visiting and read it again and was all, "I don't remember any of this! Holy crap!" I think what actually had happened was that on the previous "read" I had skimmed past the beginning because it was all about people doing things and not about dogs at all, BORING, and then I got to the big coon hunt with the snowstorm and read all of that, and then I stopped. So essentially I read a couple of chapters in the middle. It wasn't depressing at all that way!

Which made actually reading the whole thing kind of a bummer.