Wesley: And how does your kind define love? Demon: Same as all bodies. Same as everywheres. Love is sacrifice.

'The Girl in Question'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


DavidS - Sep 16, 2007 10:46:03 am PDT #3852 of 28212
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Here she describes The Ritual. Those classes must have been so fun and funny! It's like some fantastic combination of Nabokov and Tom Stoppard.

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Another feature of the textbook was the "ritual". This was a patterned response (or dialogue) that students were to learn by heart and automatically call up whenever the appropriate situation arose in class or the first line was said by the teacher. Quoting from the book: "To be effective, a ritual sentence must be an automatic response to the preceding sentence; e.g., "Excuse me!" might be your automatic response to "Ouch! You stepped on my toe!"

The idea, I think, was to keep the flow going in class, and sometimes to avoid embarrassment when a student was caught short without an answer, etc. They also were illustrations of upcoming grammatical details—so examples would be internalized before the rule was encountered--but I suspect conversational flow and ease was the main point. I could see the rituals as little subscript comics running along the bottom of other stories, the way Krazy Kat did at first. (And I think Tony Millionaire does this too.) Or just as little independent black-out sketches between longer stories.

This one was learned in the first day or so of class:

Ritual 1
[when you make a mistake in class]
-- Of course not!
-- Akh, forgive me, dear teacher!
-- Why? What have you done?
-- I've made a terrible /coarse, vulgar/ error.
-- [tenderly] That's all right /nothing/.

And I really like the "How to avoid answering a question" series, which gave you a number of options:

Ritual 9
Four ways to avoid answering a question:

-- What does the word 'doktor' end in?
(1) -- Repeat the last question, please.
-- "the last question, please".
-- Ha-ha-ha!

(2) -- I don't know.
-- And if you knew?
-- Even of I knew, then I wouldn't tell!
-- I'm very insulted!

(3) -- Hmm.
-- Louder, please.
-- HMMM
-- And what does that mean?
-- That means that I forgot the last question.

(4) – such {banal, naïve, uninteresting} questions do not interest me.

Or even better:

Ritual 23
How to avoid answering a question:
ADVANCED LEVEL

-- Mr. Jones (Miss Jones)! What's the difference between the preposition v and the preposition na?
-- Generally speaking, one might say, that, as a rule, it's more or less… What did you ask?
-- In a word, Mr. Jones (Miss Jones), you don't remember.
-- It's not that I don't remember, but that I forgot.
-- Enough! I'll ask somebody else.
-- [coldly] As you wish.

(There was also the option of "turning the ritual around," whereby the student could initiate the ritual and the teacher would have to complete it.)


amych - Sep 16, 2007 10:49:19 am PDT #3853 of 28212
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

The full textbook is here: [link]

It's got all kinds of odd little line drawings in it -- much better than just the English translation!


DavidS - Sep 16, 2007 10:59:24 am PDT #3854 of 28212
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

amych, were you familiar with this work before?


amych - Sep 16, 2007 11:02:36 am PDT #3855 of 28212
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I didn't use it when I was studying Russian, but you're right that it's legendary -- a lot of Russian teachers I know are still grumbling that there hasn't been a decent textbook published since. He influenced a lot of teachers' pedagogy, too, aside from just writing the textbooks.


Hil R. - Sep 16, 2007 3:38:02 pm PDT #3856 of 28212
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

My French classes in middle school had similar sorts of ritual things. There are still a bunch of French phrases where I'll just automatically jump in with the response, even when it's totally inappropriate for the situation. We learned that way -- through learning vocab and phrases and sentences and conversations, with no formal grammar at all -- for seventh grade and the beginning of eighth grade, and then the end of eighth grade was a combination of that stuff and some basic grammar, with a whole lot of memorizing French poems and essays thrown in. Our seventh grade teacher was absolutely nuts, but we did learn a lot of French that way.


Polter-Cow - Sep 16, 2007 4:40:11 pm PDT #3857 of 28212
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Robert Jordan died.

Sorry, Wheel of Time fans.


sumi - Sep 16, 2007 5:45:16 pm PDT #3858 of 28212
Art Crawl!!!

PC - where on that website is that information?

I'm trying to get into it - I sent the link to friends who are fans but I'm not finding the announcement at all and I'm having a great deal of difficulty getting on the page and when I do - I don't see the announcement.


Polter-Cow - Sep 16, 2007 5:54:00 pm PDT #3859 of 28212
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Huh, you're right, it's not loading. Probably getting way too many hits. It was a blog post by someone close to him, I think, who'd been posting about him.

Here's a report.


sumi - Sep 16, 2007 6:07:04 pm PDT #3860 of 28212
Art Crawl!!!

Thanks - I'll send that link too.


§ ita § - Sep 16, 2007 6:45:00 pm PDT #3861 of 28212
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Is the series done? I tried to read one of them, after having read (but not enjoyed, I just had to) the first five or so. And it was unintelligible and the main people were otherwise occupied.