We'd be dead. Can't get paid if you're dead.

Mal ,'Serenity'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Volans - Aug 17, 2007 2:54:56 pm PDT #3751 of 28200
move out and draw fire

Then the negative comparison of Cormac McCarthy to Ken Follett. Yeah, Cormac needs to take a clue from Ken. That'd make his novels better.

Oh god.

The language needs to be right for the story. If every novel read like Hemingway, it would be a pretty boring book world.


P.M. Marc - Aug 17, 2007 4:25:08 pm PDT #3752 of 28200
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Tolstoy? Tolkien? Melville? Pynchon? We know them for their moderation?

Tolkien would have been improved by it... ugh. Can't stand his stilted, awkward, get to the POINT prose. It's like those 500,000 word epics on FF.net, but with less sex. Hate him so much, even though he had interesting stories buried in that fucking mess of prose.

That said, wow, the anti-intellectualism in that article just shines right through. Maybe those damn kids with their polysyllabic words and quirky yet evocative way of putting things had better get off her shiny little suburban lawn.

That's right: "strangled, work-driven ways." Work-driven is fine, of course, except for its note of self-approval, but strangled ways makes no sense on any level.

I'm not sure what she's not getting here. To me, that sentence evokes the feeling of being so tense that your voice tightens, and so wrapped up in your work that it's a choke chain you can't stray far from.

Feh.

And, yeah, "Gun's going off." stuck with me like whoa, but Brokeback Mountain (the story) as a WHOLE left me weeping like a baby AND admiring the writing skill. These are NOT mutually exclusive things.


beth b - Aug 17, 2007 7:15:31 pm PDT #3753 of 28200
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I got tired of what Meyers was saying. but I will say that White Noise actually intrigued me. Actually, the real complaint seemed to be that there is a big division between 'literary fiction' and genre fiction. and by using example of what she considers bad and unappealing language to make the point. of course, I never reached any example of great language in genre fiction, because I go tired of the rant...

( and since when is language the only point of judgment for a great literature? story, appeal, brain-shaking, character development - all have places. Language is obviously impt, but there is more to great lit than that)


DavidS - Aug 17, 2007 9:42:41 pm PDT #3754 of 28200
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

and since when is language the only point of judgment for a great literature?

Since Joyce? Proust? Eliot? Woolf? Pick an icon of Modernism. Do people even think about Modernism anymore? I'm surprised that people don't get that's when cultural standards were recalibrated. The 19th century got the bum's rush. That was the last revolutionary erasure and it hasn't been eclipsed yet. I mean, you can disagree with it, but that's the default, as taught and understood for a long time now.


DavidS - Aug 17, 2007 9:54:22 pm PDT #3755 of 28200
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Hate him so much, even though he had interesting stories buried in that fucking mess of prose.

Heh. Ple should rewrite LoTR with all the sex and at 25,000 words.


Polter-Cow - Aug 17, 2007 10:00:37 pm PDT #3756 of 28200
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I really don't care about the sex, but the 25,000 words might be a good idea. I had to force myself to slog through the last book. How can gigantic epic battles be so damn boring ?


Anne W. - Aug 18, 2007 5:25:55 am PDT #3757 of 28200
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

The end of Elephants = best payoff ever.

Oh, hell yes. I haven't enjoyed a book quite so much in years.


Connie Neil - Aug 18, 2007 10:26:38 am PDT #3758 of 28200
brillig

I had to force myself to slog through the last book. How can gigantic epic battles be so damn boring ?

I don't understand you people at all. t hugs her worn-out copies of LotR tightly


Toddson - Aug 20, 2007 3:36:54 am PDT #3759 of 28200
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

cf Raq, if every novel read like Hemingway, I'd never read a book.


Katerina Bee - Aug 20, 2007 9:40:55 am PDT #3760 of 28200
Herding cats for fun

Oh, hooray, somebody else who liked Elephants! (high fives Anne). That book made me want to read up more about Elephant Tramps. I'm certain there are many interesting stories in there.