How oppressively moderate
How self-consciously avant garde.
I-I'm just taking things without paying for th... In what twisted dictionary is that stealing?
Willow ,'Showtime'
Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.
There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."
Connie Neil - Jun 22, 2007 12:54:51 pm PDT #2981 of 28195
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Steph L. - Jun 22, 2007 12:59:52 pm PDT #2982 of 28195
I look more rad than Lutheranism
How self-consciously avant garde.
t yet more connielove
DavidS - Jun 22, 2007 1:12:52 pm PDT #2983 of 28195
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
How self-consciously avant garde.
That's redundant, I think. The avant garde is always going to posit itself against something else, which requires some self consciousness. You can't be the leading edge of something without knowing where the previous boundaries were and critique them.
I prefer civil discourse among friends, but I think that in the world of ideas it's better to make your claim boldly and make enemies. Incremental changes can be stultifying and frequently things need to be shaken up and challenged. Orthodoxies get set and moderation really does become oppressive.
Connie Neil - Jun 22, 2007 1:16:36 pm PDT #2984 of 28195
brillig
Pedantic is also a good word.
DavidS - Jun 22, 2007 1:18:24 pm PDT #2985 of 28195
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Pedantic is also a good word.
Compared to what? Umbelliferous? (my personal favorite word)
Steph L. - Jun 22, 2007 1:29:21 pm PDT #2986 of 28195
I look more rad than Lutheranism
I think that in the world of ideas it's better to make your claim boldly and make enemies.
Depends on whether you prefer ideas over friends.
Connie Neil - Jun 22, 2007 1:32:27 pm PDT #2987 of 28195
brillig
Sometimes these discussions get too close to "Anything you can think, I can think better. I can think anything better than you." Which could be a good song, but stressful.
DavidS - Jun 22, 2007 1:33:31 pm PDT #2988 of 28195
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Depends on whether you prefer ideas over friends.
I really don't think they're mutually exclusive. Though it may depend on your set of friends.
I don't think anybody writing a manifesto is out to make friends though.
Mostly I find the entire gesture quaint, an early 20th century art reflex when people thought that the Vorticist movement would change the world.
And they're interesting, usually crystalizing some cultural tension in the zeitgeist in which they occur. The Futurist Manifesto is fascinating because on the one hand it makes some attempt to insist on an art that represented the (then new) 20th century, while at the same time you can see some of the justifications for Italian fascism under the surface.
DavidS - Jun 22, 2007 1:37:47 pm PDT #2989 of 28195
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Sometimes these discussions get too close to "Anything you can think, I can think better. I can think anything better than you."
What does that mean connie?
Connie Neil - Jun 22, 2007 1:40:06 pm PDT #2990 of 28195
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The Futurist Manifesto is fascinating because on the one hand it makes some attempt to insist on an art that represented the (then new) 20th century, while at the same time you can see some of the justifications for Italian fascism under the surface.
I always find it interesting that people looking for an art that "represents" a time think that humanity is essentially different for being in a new time frame. The environmental framework may have changed, but the motivations of people haven't. The manifesto manifesters keep thinking/hoping that somehow the times will pull the people, but the people just gain new tools for their old instincts.