Jayne: You wanna go, little man? Wash: Only if it's someplace with candlelight.

'Objects In Space'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


DavidS - Mar 25, 2006 5:31:26 pm PST #255 of 28061
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Btw, did Andre Norton initiate the empathic cat meme with Daybreak 2020 (aka The Beastmaster)?

I know there have been talking animals since forever in human folklore, but as it plays out in the Mary Sue narratives, it seems like that's where I first encountered it. Then The Forgotten Beasts of Eld. (Which I was re-reading a little bit in the last year and held up surprisingly well.)


Jessica - Mar 25, 2006 5:35:01 pm PST #256 of 28061
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

May I tag?

Feel free!


DXMachina - Mar 25, 2006 5:35:13 pm PST #257 of 28061
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Well, they are alien cats, with six limbs. Not just empathic, telepathic, too.


Typo Boy - Mar 25, 2006 5:41:11 pm PST #258 of 28061
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I was going to say, "Forgotten Beasts of Eld" had was great. If Mary Sueness was going on I failed to notice it.

Also I seem to remember James Schmitz's Telzy series had an intelligent empathic tree cat. When I read it I was too young to be aware of Mary-Sueness, but I never got an impression of excess perfection from Telzy, she was a superwoman, but didn't she have a tendency to get overconfident, and get into trouble for being a smartass? Too long ago but not sure.

As to Mary-Sue feedback phenomen, I do know how it happened in some specific cases. Every writer needs feedback. In some cases, once successful some writers choose to get that feedback only from worshipful adoring fans who think every word is golden and never criticize. That is they make the least discerning of their fanbase their feedback circle. I know for a fact that is part of what happened to L.K.Hamilton and one other writer who I won't name.

As to the second half of your question, I don't know that is why fans end continuing writers series, but that could be part of the explanation. On the other hand, it could also be that a fan becomes a writer, then the position of continuing the series opens, and of course a writer who has been successful on their own, but who loved the series is both most interested, and possibly most qualified.


Consuela - Mar 25, 2006 5:44:04 pm PST #259 of 28061
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

t cough Daybreak 2250, AD t cough

I can't remember if the cats were telepathic, though, just big. In Beastmaster, definitely there was a mental link with the animals, though.


Typo Boy - Mar 25, 2006 5:45:19 pm PST #260 of 28061
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Feel Free

Thanks Jessica.


Betsy HP - Mar 25, 2006 5:50:46 pm PST #261 of 28061
If I only had a brain...

Furthermore, everybody who opposes Honor Harrington -- everybody -- is not just wrong but Eeeeeeevil.


Connie Neil - Mar 25, 2006 6:19:40 pm PST #262 of 28061
brillig

Forgotten Beasts of Eld is fabulous. I re-read it regularly. The Riddle-Master of Hed trilogy is also very good, though I had to re-read it a couple of times to really appreciate the ending.


DavidS - Mar 25, 2006 7:44:13 pm PST #263 of 28061
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Daybreak 2250, AD

I knew I'd had that wrong but was too freakin' lazy to look it up.

They're definitely telepathic, but they're still animal level intelligence.

Are there instances of a male writer with his series being taken/over ghost written by his fanbase? (I'm not talking about a licensed character situation.) Because it seems like a Queen Bee and Coterie dynamic. With LKH and Anne Rice it seems like super inflated self-importance with nothing but adoring fans being filtered in. With Marion Zimmer Bradley and Andre Norton it seemed like the Queen Bee and court. Were there other instances of female Sci-Fi/Fantasy writers having ghost written series? Pern seemed liked that same kind of fanbase. Tanith Lee (in retrospect) really reminds me of fan fiction - so much slash!


Beverly - Mar 25, 2006 8:49:26 pm PST #264 of 28061
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Daybreak 2020 (aka The Beastmaster)

Daybreak 2250 AD, as previously mentioned, but also aka Starman's Son.

Still, she wrote so damned many, it's hard to keep the titles straight, let alone which plots go with which titles, especially since many of both sound similar. I remember this one because it was the first scifi or fantasy I ever read.