Dawn: I think a date should be in a real fancy restaurant, then champagne at a night club with a floor show, then ballroom dancing. Joyce: Unfortunately, we're not dating in a movie from the thirties.

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Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


hippocampus - Nov 04, 2013 12:26:37 pm PST #21595 of 28396
not your mom's socks.

I don't think that was in Ender's Shadow either, but I recall that being my stopping point.

The OSC book grilling? High point of my day. Thank you, Polgara.

I read Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead after I read Xenocide because that's what was to hand at the time. I think that let me like it more than I would have if I'd been orderly. EG is still a book I recommend, while also linking folks to John Kessel's essay on "Creating the Innocent Killer" [link]


Jessica - Nov 04, 2013 12:47:30 pm PST #21596 of 28396
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Oh, maybe I'm thinking of the second Bean book then.


-t - Nov 04, 2013 2:58:22 pm PST #21597 of 28396
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Wow, I had no idea all these later books existed. I stopped reading at Xenocide - I forget if that was even a conscious decision. I kind of think it was, but I don't remember what the trigger was at all.

Oh, god, the Dune prequels. I rarely don't complete books, but I believe I stopped reading the first one of those in the middle of a paragraph. And it felt so good. So right. "Ptui, let us not speak of them again" really sums up my feelings, except they are kind of fun to disparage.


Gris - Nov 04, 2013 4:13:19 pm PST #21598 of 28396
Hey. New board.

I think Xenocide and Children of the Mind are pretty awful so maybe good taste inspired your decision.

The Shadow series runs parallel to Enders Game and after (on Peter Wiggins' earth). A cool concept with horrific execution especially later in the series. And though I didn't hate Ender's Shadow, it felt like a different author. Much less thoughtful and more generic. Like the Foundation novels that weren't written by Asimov. Or the sixth Hitchhiker book that recently came out. Or a good but not mindblowing fan fiction.

They are not to me canon. But then, neither are Xenocide, or Children, or the Star Wars prequels.


Polter-Cow - Nov 04, 2013 5:12:22 pm PST #21599 of 28396
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I half-liked Xenocide, if I recall; there was enough good stuff for me to feel vaguely positive about it despite the stuff that I didn't like. But Children of the Mind was awful.


hippocampus - Nov 05, 2013 4:17:42 am PST #21600 of 28396
not your mom's socks.

Agreed on Children of the Mind.


Consuela - Nov 05, 2013 6:08:28 am PST #21601 of 28396
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

meara - Nov 05, 2013 6:19:57 am PST #21602 of 28396

Ouch. That sucks, Consuela, to feel duped by trusting people, and did out they weren't who you thought. Are you still friends with any of them?


Consuela - Nov 05, 2013 6:21:06 am PST #21603 of 28396
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Swear to god I'd deleted that: it was supposed to be in Natter.

I'm still online friends with most of them, although I haven't seen any of them in some time; most of them live in the midwest.


EpicTangent - Nov 05, 2013 7:40:11 am PST #21604 of 28396
Why isn't everyone pelting me with JOY, dammit? - Zenkitty

I half-liked Xenocide, if I recall; there was enough good stuff for me to feel vaguely positive about it despite the stuff that I didn't like. But Children of the Mind was awful.

It's been a while since I've read them, but this sounds like my reaction as well.