Giles: Helping out with the dishes makes me feel useful. Dawn: Wanna clean out the garage with us Saturday? You could feel indispensable.

'Dirty Girls'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Kat - Jul 14, 2013 6:07:55 am PDT #21056 of 28370
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Kate, I feel like anything that pertains to Maddie is true. I believe that the Anna Engel stuff was all lies -- it was meant to be the diversion. Most of her account was a lie. Hence her "This is the truth! This is the truth!" and her telling the girl who refused to confess to just lie.

It's a perfect way to teach unreliable narrator, I think.


Polter-Cow - Jul 14, 2013 4:09:16 pm PDT #21057 of 28370
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Has anyone read Armor, by John Steakley? I haven't read a book this fucking frustrating in a while. I'm almost annoyed that it actually redeemed itself in the end.


Fred Pete - Jul 15, 2013 5:31:27 am PDT #21058 of 28370
Ann, that's a ferret.

I do think class is as much an American focus as race, although race is clearly not a focus anywhere else.

Yet class in America is inextricably intertwined with money, more so (I think) than elsewhere. I'd also add a 3rd Great American Focus, religion, which also plays out in a way different than elsewhere.

I'll argue for Theodore Dreiser's An American Tragedy. It isn't on that list. But class/money determines almost the entire plot, with more than a passing discussion of the effect of religion.

Oh, and Moby Dick is overrated. The treatise on whaling breaks into the plot too deeply.


§ ita § - Jul 15, 2013 7:03:24 am PDT #21059 of 28370
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

although race is clearly not a focus anywhere else

I don't understand what this means. What is the anywhere else?


Amy - Jul 15, 2013 7:56:06 am PDT #21060 of 28370
Because books.

I should have said almost, I guess. Race isn't a big focus in historical British literature, or most European literature, unless I'm completely wrong. And I absolutely could be. I just couldn't think of examples that address it the way Huck Finn and other American literature does.


§ ita § - Jul 15, 2013 8:06:58 am PDT #21061 of 28370
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

When British literature touches the colonies (and unsurprisingly my reading is skewed thusly) it is reasonably often a big deal. And when it's not it is therefore in hindsight, because it takes a lot of work to ignore that shit. I think of Kipling and Achebe and Stevenson and Defoe when I think of the genre.


Amy - Jul 15, 2013 8:42:26 am PDT #21062 of 28370
Because books.

That's a bunch of people I never really read. So, like I said, if I'm wrong, I apologize.


le nubian - Jul 15, 2013 8:46:41 am PDT #21063 of 28370
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I'm reading Divergent by Veronica Roth right now and from the first chapter, the book has me hooked. I'm about 60% of the way right now (can you tell I'm reading on a Kindle?) and my early affection for the book is a bit more muted, but I'm still hooked.

I find the events of the book pretty realistic (and periodically horrifying) given Roth's world-building.

For those who liked Hunger Games, I recommend it.


Steph L. - Jul 15, 2013 10:48:42 am PDT #21064 of 28370
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I read that and REALLY liked it. The sequel (Insurgent) is pretty good, too, and sets up the last book in the trilogy (which I think is supposed to be out in October) really well.


Pix - Jul 15, 2013 10:56:20 am PDT #21065 of 28370
The status is NOT quo.

Yep, I really enjoyed the first two in that series as well. I liked the fact that Roth resists the Hunger Games temptation to make the female protagonist a bleak, empty shell of herself as the story progresses.