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Gunn ,'Underneath'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


flea - Sep 21, 2012 6:22:56 am PDT #19777 of 28344
information libertarian

I an currently the de facto librarian at my kids' school library, and it has all sorts of issues I have never dealt with as a professional librarian for college students. The big one is, figuring out which books in our donations are appropriate for the kids in the school. It's a K-6 school, but the 3rd-6th graders are gifted, and many of them are really excellent readers. We got boxes and boxes of ARCs from a local bookstore (woot!) but a bunch of them are YA, ranging from 12-up to 15-up recommendations on the covers. So I am setting them aside and need to figure out which are appropriate for 6th graders and which are not. It's a huge minefield (with parent viewpoints all over the map) that I have no training for (but public/school librarians do)! Also, my own kid is only 9, and there was very little YA when I was a kid (mostly those "my friend died of cancer" books and Forever by Judy Blume.) Argh. It would be helpful if I read/liked YA, but I do not.

We do already have copies of the Hunger Games trilogy and the kids are VERY interested in it, and most of them, including 4th and 5th graders, tell me they have already read it and/or seen the movie. But at least I know what that book is about and the issues in it.


§ ita § - Sep 21, 2012 6:49:08 am PDT #19778 of 28344
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

how people in marginalized communities internalize majority culture views (in this novel, primarily about beauty and color) so deeply that the community begins to cannibalize its own

How can internalising the American ideal of beauty to the extreme which Pecola did *not* mean racism is bad?

if students reach the end of that book and don't understand that all of these characters are African American and/or mixed race, they've missed the entire book

There is no requirement for white people in a story about racism. Although there *are* white people in it, they could have been cut out, and it'd have been the same quantum level of horrifyingly racist.


Liese S. - Sep 21, 2012 7:07:12 am PDT #19779 of 28344
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah, I read adult books from the time I discovered they wouldn't kick me out of that section at the library, so I am no help for appropriateness. I will say that reading age-inappropriate stuff did not scar my (conservative Christian sheltered) young self, it just mostly went over my head, or I squirreled it away for future investigation. I did revisit some of those books later, and they were revelatory, let me tell you.


Connie Neil - Sep 21, 2012 7:17:27 am PDT #19780 of 28344
brillig

Was Mr. Berryhill, by any chance, a hobbit himself?? That seems like a pretty hobbity name.

He would have been absolutely delighted to be called such, but he would have been a very tall, looming hobbit. He was very handy to have on hand when a teacher was needed to intimidate a football player who was acting up. His classroom was at the intersection of two main hallways, and hearing him bellow would make everyone freeze.


Cass - Sep 21, 2012 1:06:41 pm PDT #19781 of 28344
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

And that random unit on The Bible As Literature, i.e. Make Sure The Heathens Can Understand The Bible References In All The Other Books We're Going To Read.

That would have been useful to me.

The only age questionable thing I recall is Niecelet reading Johnny Got His Gun. But she rolled with it. Ad I'm not sure I'm old enough for that book.


Zenkitty - Sep 21, 2012 3:59:12 pm PDT #19782 of 28344
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

In my high school Junior lit class, we read Upton Sinclair's The Jungle. There is nothing more depressing than that book.

I remember nothing else that we read except Great Expectations, and that one I remember because I read most of it aloud to the class. I didn't like the story but I liked reading it to them, and they liked it too.

The teacher had some idea that we should read other books besides the "classic" high school lit. So we read, apparently, totally forgettable books, and I've never read most of those classics. Oh, but Jane Eyre. Another depressing book. Codependence used to be an admirable trait in a woman. Well, still is, really.


Connie Neil - Sep 21, 2012 5:07:23 pm PDT #19783 of 28344
brillig

I like Jane Eyre. She refused to marry the doofus, and there's the lovely, quietly triumphant "Reader, I married him."


Pix - Sep 21, 2012 5:44:53 pm PDT #19784 of 28344
The status is NOT quo.

On phone, so excuse typos, but I truly didn't mean to imply that TBE isn't about racism or that a book dealing with racism has to have white characters. I'm horrified that it seemed I meant that. I was trying to express my frustration with the fact that there's a lot more to the book than just Racism is Bad, which I feel grossly oversimplifies the complexity of the novel. Without a doubt, it is at its core looking at the effects of racism. It's many other things too. And beautifully, poignantly crafted.

Anyway, I am sorry Emmet's love of reading has been damaged by a crippling series of tragic novels. There are many ways to teach tragic novels--which, true, are often also the most compelling-- without it becoming a miserable experience, and it doesn't sound like his teachers have balanced that well. I know I work very hard to make my curriculum pleasurable, and I check in with my students constantly to make sure we are having fun exploring even when the content is painful, and I do try to break up the texts I teach. Context and personal what-ifs also help this process. It makes me sad when this happens to students like him.


Pix - Sep 21, 2012 6:22:47 pm PDT #19785 of 28344
The status is NOT quo.

Coffee (now with real keyboard):

And because I can't let this go without clarifying what I now read as my very cryptic comment about students not realizing that characters in TBE aren't primarily white... I meant that when some teachers teach the oversimplified "Racism is Bad" theme, students begin to oversimplify those books as well and start thinking in terms of "Whites are Bad and Blacks are Victims" rather than seeing nuance in how racism has historically affected identity--not just Whites vs. Blacks, but within African American communities--and how the characters in books like TBE aren't just symbolic but are depictions of real people in all their complexity and confusion.

As I said, I clearly was very unclear in my initial post and am mortified that it came across that way. I apologize for any unintended offense.


DavidS - Sep 21, 2012 6:44:12 pm PDT #19786 of 28344
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I apologize for any unintended offense.

I was never offended, Pix, and have always admired the way you teach. It's just that while The Bluest Eye is a more complex investigation of how racism damages, it still conforms to the broader outline I noted.

I know Emmett is going to be turned off when he gets to the girl being raped by her father. I know he will turn away from this book. From his point of view it's the same fucking thing. There will be no nuances absorbed. It will be miserable and he will have a miserable experience for bothering to care about these characters.

He has learned one thing in English class: literature makes him feel shitty. He doesn't want to feel shitty so he doesn't want to read it. It's pretty simple really.

And I'm not complaining that he occasionally has to deal with books that are uncomfortable or dark in theme. It's that more than half of the books he's read during his entire time in high school have had this particular shape to them. Like three-quarters of them. They just kind of circle around the dial of minority possibility pounding on this theme.

I mean, hard things happen in My Antonia but your take away there is Strong Women Are Cool and Often Overcome Their Circumstances. It's not socioeconomic racially determined fatalism.

It's too bad Michael Chabon's Telegraph Avenue won't be in the curriculum before he graduates. That's a book that might mean something to him.

The only comedies they ever teach are Shakespeare. And there's such a huge bias towards Naturalism. A generation who grew up watching Invader Zim and the Simpsons would have no problem understanding the meta-snark of Pynchon in The Crying of Lot 49. Or Portnoy's Complaint. Teenagers would definitely get a book about masturbation.