Simon: You are my beautiful sister. River: I threw up on your bed. Simon: Yep. Definitely my sister.

'War Stories'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Connie Neil - Jul 08, 2012 4:03:26 pm PDT #19260 of 28342
brillig

Except Amelia doesn't sleep with him, and is only briefly tempted into admiring him. Her love for Emerson is so pure!


Dana - Jul 08, 2012 4:15:36 pm PDT #19261 of 28342
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I'll very much second Consuela's recommendation of the non-Cadfael Ellis Peters mysteries.

Inspector Felse! Love him.

I also like Ngaio Marsh, except as with Sayers, there's that whole classist racist homophobic thing that creeps in occasionally.


Anne W. - Jul 08, 2012 5:07:21 pm PDT #19262 of 28342
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I also like Ngaio Marsh, except as with Sayers, there's that whole classist racist homophobic thing that creeps in occasionally.

I don't know what bothers me more - noticing those things upon a re-read of a favorite, or realizing that I didn't notice them at all the first time I read them.


Consuela - Jul 08, 2012 5:13:16 pm PDT #19263 of 28342
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I hope that I would have noticed the repeated use of "dago" in Have His Carcase when I first read it, and I merely forgot about it in the intervening years. ::sigh::


Kat - Jul 08, 2012 5:18:17 pm PDT #19264 of 28342
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

WRT Marquez, there have been rumors for the past two years or so about it, so the acknowledgment is sad but unsurprising. It does lend a new wallop to the patriach (I was trying to remember what his name was but all the Buendias blend!) in One Hundred Years of Solitude.


DavidS - Jul 08, 2012 5:31:00 pm PDT #19265 of 28342
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It does lend a new wallop to the patriach (I was trying to remember what his name was but all the Buendias blend!) in One Hundred Years of Solitude.

Col. Aurelio Buendia, no?


Typo Boy - Jul 08, 2012 5:53:56 pm PDT #19266 of 28342
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Sayers is as you say horribly classist, racist, anti-semetic and a damn good writer.

As to Marsh. I like her up to a point. Basically IMO, while she is not one of those writers who writes the same book over and over again, she writes the same 12 books over and over again. So by the time you have read 20 or so of her books, you have really all 500 or whatever number of books she wrote.


Consuela - Jul 08, 2012 8:14:26 pm PDT #19267 of 28342
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I don't know that Sayers was necessarily racist (or no more racist than most of her contemporaries): all of the really dodgy stuff is in dialogue rather in narrative, so it's hard to know what's authorial and what's accurate presentation of contemporary behaviors/beliefs. And she did have a really sympathetic portrayal of a West Indian priest who turned out to have an unexpected connection with a wealthy British family (this was in Unnatural Death).

But the classism is so deeply embedded in the books it's impossible to divorce it from the writer. And her attitude regarding women is a bit odd. The Miss Climpsons of her world are competent and yet pathetic, which is an odd combination. But then you get Harriett, who is awesome, and many of the women in Gaudy Night, which struggles pretty overtly with a lot of feminist issues. I think it's an instance of the writer herself dealing with these questions, and being willing to address them publicly.

If only she'd turned the same critical eye to the issues of class and race that she seems to ignore. It's such a pity.


DavidS - Jul 08, 2012 9:02:43 pm PDT #19268 of 28342
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

If only she'd turned the same critical eye to the issues of class and race that she seems to ignore. It's such a pity.

Very few people can see the morays of their era. Humans are limited that way.

So, while I understand having a contemporary critique of racist/sexist attitudes of the past in the work. To be aware of it and conscious of it. But it really seems unfair to expect that from individuals of the past.

I haven't seen anybody on this board who isn't a product of their time.


DavidS - Jul 08, 2012 9:04:14 pm PDT #19269 of 28342
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I mean, if you think about it for more than ten seconds it's a fucking miracle that Mark Twain wrote Huckleberry Finn.