Gabriel: Are you trying to destroy this family? Simon: I didn't realize it would be so easy.

'Safe'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


§ ita § - May 23, 2012 10:45:25 am PDT #18902 of 28333
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think that argument strengthens itself by virtue of being pretty much unreadable to me. If that's what gamers get effortlessly, then they are more of a breed apart than I'd considered, but I think accusing Scalzi of "cultural appropriation" gives the gaming community too much of an effective equivalence, to say, Native Americans, or any actual groups for which I think cultural appropriation is actually a real issue.


Consuela - May 23, 2012 11:02:09 am PDT #18903 of 28333
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I think accusing Scalzi of "cultural appropriation" gives the gaming community too much of an effective equivalence, to say, Native Americans, or any actual groups for which I think cultural appropriation is actually a real issue.

Yeah, I thought that was a real stretch.

I also think she over-sold the argument. Gamers are no better at identifying systematic oppression than anyone else. What's that saying about how stupid a man can be if his job requires him not to understand something? I think that applies in this instance, as well: people are very good at not seeing how a system benefits them at the expense of other people, and that certainly includes gamers.

Not to mention the fact that the target of the article was far beyond gamers, just that Scalzi happened to use gaming as a metaphor.


§ ita § - May 23, 2012 11:22:24 am PDT #18904 of 28333
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I didn't know what a "dump stat" was until I asked around, but everything else was really easy to understand. Maybe that's part of her point? That you have to speak to her culture in gamer-specific code, because if regular people can understand...

Which, really, fuck off. It's *English*. I don't see why English speakers should need things made *more* complicated so they can understand. Still, the ultimate goal is increasing comprehension, so I guess-knot yourself up into tangles, if that's what it takes to change a mind or turn on a light bulb.

But, fuck, that's kinda dumb.


Polter-Cow - May 23, 2012 12:04:20 pm PDT #18905 of 28333
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Need some help here, folks: Am I interpreting this totally the wrong way round or have I only just noticed the really nasty violence-against-women in Gaiman's "Murder Mysteries"?

As Gaiman (basically) says in the introduction, there's a reason the title is plural.


DavidS - May 23, 2012 12:34:44 pm PDT #18906 of 28333
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I need some book recs for a high school senior boy who loved Fear and Loathing by Hunter S. Thompson and Confederacy of Dunces.

What else is dark and snarky and anti-authoritarian?


Steph L. - May 23, 2012 12:36:52 pm PDT #18907 of 28333
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

What else is dark and snarky and anti-authoritarian?

Vonnegut?


Amy - May 23, 2012 12:42:10 pm PDT #18908 of 28333
Because books.

Chuck Palahniuk?


DavidS - May 23, 2012 12:47:58 pm PDT #18909 of 28333
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Good suggestions.

I'm leaning towards Katherine Dunn's Geek Love, but I'll compile a list of possibilities.


JZ - May 23, 2012 12:49:18 pm PDT #18910 of 28333
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Anything by Flannery O'Connor? (Granted, practicing Catholic and thus not exactly anti-authoritarian in a, well, catholic sense, but she does give the general stink-eye to human authority; the more one of her characters thinks s/he knows it all and has gamed the system, the more spectacular the cosmic bitchslap)


Amy - May 23, 2012 12:49:39 pm PDT #18911 of 28333
Because books.

Oh, that's a good one, too.