You know, my big sister could really beat the crap out of her. I mean, really really.

Dawn ,'Storyteller'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Typo Boy - May 10, 2012 8:38:21 am PDT #18652 of 28303
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Heh. I'm too lazy to do a search, but Hill has done wonderful descriptions right in the literary thread in times past. (I think within the past year or so.)


Scrappy - May 10, 2012 8:58:24 am PDT #18653 of 28303
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

It didn't bother me in DDL, because she is so clearly smart and passionate and the author presents those as totally admirable traits. The fact he has been reading her letters is not a bother to me, since the writing lets us know that he fell in love with her IRL, and being Daddy was hard for him as it was for her.


Hil R. - May 10, 2012 9:05:44 am PDT #18654 of 28303
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

No, it was earlier than that (sometime in the winter of 2009-2010, I think), and it was in Bitches. Basically, the Elsie books were written as an example for kids of how to be a good Christian child. Elsie was always Good, and cried when she felt like she hadn't been as patient as Jesus would have been, and was quite certain in her faith. The main plot of the first two books is that her father, who's been traveling the world for most of her life, comes back. And he's not a Christian. (Meaning, he hasn't been born again.) And Elsie is desperate to win her father's love (in scenes that are written in ways that sound really creepily sexual to modern readers), and also to make him a Christian. Then there's one Sunday when he has a headache, and he wants her to read him a novel. She says that she'll read him the Bible, but won't read a novel on a Sunday. He punishes her, she won't relent, and it escalates until he says that, unless she apologizes and swears to do whatever he says, he'll send her away to Catholic school. Elsie then falls into a fever, and spends the next twenty pages or so delirious, moaning, "I won't bow to idols! I won't pray to Mary!" Then she dies. Then her father realizes the error of his ways, and accepts Jesus into his heart. Then Elsie comes back to life.

In the later books, Elsie marries her father's best friend, and they have a bunch of children. After a little while, the author seems to have forgotten that books are supposed to have plots, and also totally freaked out about immigrants, and so the later books pretty much consist of the family members telling each other heroic stories about the American Revolution, and worrying about how immigrants and Catholics and Mormons are going to destroy this great tradition.

Oh. And there's also a scene where Elsie tells some little black children that, in heaven, they'll be white.


Fred Pete - May 10, 2012 9:07:31 am PDT #18655 of 28303
Ann, that's a ferret.

In other words, possibly palatable, but only as comedy?


Hil R. - May 10, 2012 9:14:29 am PDT #18656 of 28303
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

The author also made certain that the readers knew that Scottish immigrants weren't like those other immigrants. Scottish immigrants had fought against the English for their freedom, and thus were practically American already.


Consuela - May 10, 2012 10:14:23 am PDT #18657 of 28303
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

there's also a scene where Elsie tells some little black children that, in heaven, they'll be white

OH MY GOD.

t cringes away in horror


Connie Neil - May 10, 2012 10:33:10 am PDT #18658 of 28303
brillig

Oh, Elsie's a Mormon after all. No, wait, at that time, blacks could only get to heaven as someone's servant.


Typo Boy - May 10, 2012 10:33:20 am PDT #18659 of 28303
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

there's also a scene where Elsie tells some little black children that, in heaven, they'll be white

I'd forgotten that last. Did Elsie actually use the words "light and delightsome", or did she avoid the Mormon phrasing of that particular bit of folk racism?

[Connie X-post]


Connie Neil - May 10, 2012 10:33:46 am PDT #18660 of 28303
brillig

Mormon bigotry x-post!


JZ - May 10, 2012 10:43:37 am PDT #18661 of 28303
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I have big huge DDL love - the author seems very aware of the potential for creepiness, as does DLL himself; he goes to the trouble to go to her school and meet her properly so they can know each other in real life and it won't be one-sided or mostly imaginary. And, of course, her letters are whip-smart and snarky about the unthinking privilege of religious leaders and teachers and rich people, and at one point she decides she's going to become a socialist, spends the weekend researching which kind is best, and sends DDL a letter beginning, "Hooray! I'm a Fabian!"

I mean, really. Who wouldn't fall in love with her?