That's beautiful. Or taken literally, incredibly gross.

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Steph L. - Feb 28, 2012 6:13:10 pm PST #18044 of 28282
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Of all my faults, I think that liking adverbs is the one I am perhaps least ashamed of.

Seriously, what the hell? Who cares if someone likes adverbs?


Steph L. - Feb 28, 2012 6:13:55 pm PST #18045 of 28282
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Except what Tep said:

I was quoting our own Jesse, wise woman that she is.


Amy - Feb 28, 2012 6:14:52 pm PST #18046 of 28282
Because books.

Jesse is wise! She gave me a character name tonight!

Jesse wins the internets. Victoriously.


DavidS - Feb 28, 2012 6:17:16 pm PST #18047 of 28282
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

you prefaced it by asking, I assume not rhetorically:

Do people not get why there's an objection to reliance on adverbs?

Because nobody had voiced any alliance with the notion that there was a good reason to rein in adverbs. There was active disagreement with that notion.

Different people like different shit.

If you think that this is simply a matter of personal preference then I don't get why you're getting huffy. It just sounds to me like you're arguing both sides:

1) Of course you know why too many adverbs is a sign of weak construction. It's presumptuous of me to say so when it's understood by this audience.

2) It's not a necessary or useful standard. Your advocacy is debatable.

I don't know which of these arguments you're supporting.


Steph L. - Feb 28, 2012 6:25:57 pm PST #18048 of 28282
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Because nobody had voiced any alliance with the notion that there was a good reason to rein in adverbs.

Do they need to?

I don't get why you're getting huffy.

Because being lectured as though I'm a 12-year-old learning how to write descriptively -- or being lectured on How To Appreciate Great Writing -- irritates me just a skosh, seeing as how I'm neither 12 nor an idiot.

I don't know which of these arguments you're supporting.

You misunderstand me.

Of course you know why too many adverbs is a sign of weak construction. It's presumptuous of me to say so when it's understood by this audience.

Actually, I know why others may hold the belief that too many adverbs are bad. And it is presumptuous of you to say so when it's understood by this audience, none of whom are 12.

It's not a necessary or useful standard.

Very true.

Your advocacy is debatable.

You advocate whatever you like. It's not going to change my opinion.


§ ita § - Feb 28, 2012 6:36:48 pm PST #18049 of 28282
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Because nobody had voiced any alliance with the notion that there was a good reason to rein in adverbs

You're new here, right? And you don't keep OCD records on mustard-stained napkins, right?


DavidS - Feb 28, 2012 6:37:42 pm PST #18050 of 28282
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Jesus, Tep, you've got a hard opinion on every aspect of grammar, including the Oxford Comma, so I don't get why my stance on adverb use pings you in the least.

Your opinions on grammatical matters are not mediated, but bossy and intransigent.

As are most Buffistas.


Connie Neil - Feb 28, 2012 6:46:05 pm PST #18051 of 28282
brillig

Dude, why do you care so much if we like adverbs? Did an adverb bite your sister?

I like adverbs. Passionately. Immoderately. Vociferously. Ill-advisedly.

You standing on some sort of pure, unadorned writing soapbox like this only makes me think you're in this argument for the fun of it.


Jessica - Feb 28, 2012 6:47:03 pm PST #18052 of 28282
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

And most of us -- I thought -- said that we know overuse of them is lazy and bad writing, but that we're okay with using them occasionally

For what it's worth, I read the tone of the conversation the same as Hec did, I think, and I didn't hear anyone saying this. I was pretty confused at how vehemently people seemed to be defending adverbs, and if the above is true, then I'm incredibly confused now as to what this argument is even about. Apparently we're all snapping at each other because we agree that adverbs are easy to overuse?


§ ita § - Feb 28, 2012 7:02:38 pm PST #18053 of 28282
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

No, I think people are snapping at Hec because they never said every third word should be an adverb, and that no said they were going to out and out adverb Rowling, but he still used small patient words to explain what bad bad things they are.

No one wants to popper their prose in them, but Hec is admonishing....someone here, and various someone stood up and said "Not I! And don't use that tone, young man!"