Note to self: religion freaky.

Buffy ,'Never Leave Me'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Kat - Feb 28, 2012 5:04:56 pm PST #18026 of 28269
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Part of my course has been helping kids identify "works of literary merit" and defining what that means. One of our ongoing discussions is around the idea that one trait of literary merit is playing with language (which Rowling does, but it's mostly in the naming of things, like Spell-o-tape etc).

I think they have decided that, generally speaking, books that are primarily plot-driven are wonderful but mostly don't qualify as having "literary merit." It's been interesting to see them reach that conclusion because most of them found it when trying to identify the differences between Jane Eyre, Picture of Dorian Gray and The Strange Tale of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

Rowling is plot so her adverbial tendencies don't really slow that down.


Connie Neil - Feb 28, 2012 5:05:33 pm PST #18027 of 28269
brillig

Adverbs should be used........sparingly.

You probably eat dry toast, too.


§ ita § - Feb 28, 2012 5:06:58 pm PST #18028 of 28269
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I thought today's writers were less slavishly devoted to Strunk and White? Haven't they sort of receded into the landscape of pretty opinionated grammar dominatri...what the hell is a gender neutral term for what I'm looking for, fuck?

I mean, I didn't think they were regarded as singularly right anymore...not hugely more right than many other voices (some of whom don't have a hate on for the adverb, for instance, to the same degree).


Jessica - Feb 28, 2012 5:19:05 pm PST #18029 of 28269
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I think it's entirely possible to write lively descriptive prose without an abundance of adverbs. Framing it as a choice between adverb overload and stark minimalism is a strawman, surely.


Tom Scola - Feb 28, 2012 5:21:14 pm PST #18030 of 28269
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Definitely. People need to stop dichotomizing falsely.


DavidS - Feb 28, 2012 5:25:46 pm PST #18031 of 28269
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think it's entirely possible to write lively descriptive prose without an abundance of adverbs. Framing it as a choice between adverb overload and stark minimalism is a strawman, surely.

This is where I am. Light on adverbs does not mean stark minimalism by any means.

Do people not get why there's an objection to reliance on adverbs? As Stephen King put it, its often a gesture on the writer's part that they're afraid the audience won't get it. That it needs to be pumped up to get across. It's a kind of anvilicious writing style that spells out the intended effect. It's the writing equivalent of a musical score that hits every emotional note for you.

I'm not as anti-adverb as my poetry teacher, but I do agree with the general principle that if you've taken a few minutes to construct the sentence and found the right verb then shouldn't need a lot of adverbs.

You probably eat dry toast, too.

What a slander to my butter intake!


Jessica - Feb 28, 2012 5:25:53 pm PST #18032 of 28269
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Owwwwww.


Amy - Feb 28, 2012 5:27:42 pm PST #18033 of 28269
Because books.

Do people not get why there's an objection to reliance on adverbs?

I thought we all pretty much agreed that we do understand that, but that the occasional adverb (or event two!) isn't a sin.


DavidS - Feb 28, 2012 5:31:06 pm PST #18034 of 28269
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I thought we all pretty much agreed that we do understand that, but that the occasional adverb (or event two!) isn't a sin.

I didn't think there was that much agreement, but I'm not advocating an adverb-free universe. I noted my Professor's indignant stance because - I don't know - I'm fond of his vehemence and caring on the matter. And while I don't endorse his stance, I agree with the principle.


DavidS - Feb 28, 2012 5:34:23 pm PST #18035 of 28269
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I thought today's writers were less slavishly devoted to Strunk and White?

They're not the Last Word, but they're still upheld as an elegant exemplar. It is a kind of prose which will still get you published in the New Yorker (which despite its reputation for WASP-y, minimalist fiction did publish Flannery O'Connor and Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery" among other things).