I'm going to see to Wesley, see if he's still whimpering.

Giles ,'Chosen'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Steph L. - Feb 24, 2012 8:53:05 am PST #17974 of 28266
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I am annoyed that the physical books of Timeless have shipped, when the Kindle version isn't available until March 1, but WTF? Why would I complain to the author?!?

Well, she's right there, on the Internet, asking to be harassed. Duh.

I am SO falling down on the job!


Consuela - Feb 24, 2012 10:00:46 am PST #17975 of 28266
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Arthur at Ferretbrain reads all of Conan so you don't have to: [link]

Warning for LONG. But also pretty damning: he basically concludes that, unless you're a completist or committed to learning about the history of the fantasy genre, you can do much better and avoid the overt and offensive racism and sexism.


§ ita § - Feb 24, 2012 1:17:58 pm PST #17976 of 28266
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Why do I take it so almost personally when people say Suzanne Collins is lying about not being familiar with Battle Royale? I don't know the lady. I don't owe her anything.

But, seriously, why do people think researching the topic involves reading every novel everyone's written remotely related to the theme? That is contradicting what many of my writer friends do--they stay away from things they might end up regurgitating in their work.

It's not like it's a seminal work of lore that she needs to stay consistent with (like I might have done vampire research before writing Twilight, mayhap). It's just a treatment of the concept, and it's not mainstream American, so it makes it less likely that she'd have come across it less than deliberately.

It just makes me mad when people decide "Oh, that person neither of us knows is lying because *I* know better." When what it really sounds like to me is that they think she's lying because they'd lie in that situation, or something. I'm just naive enough for that to not be my default position of cynicism and distrust.


Polter-Cow - Feb 24, 2012 1:22:53 pm PST #17977 of 28266
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

That is contradicting what many of my writer friends do--they stay away from things they might end up regurgitating in their work.

Exactly.

It bugs me too, mostly because the comparison is so superficial, and The Hunger Games is much more than just kids killing each other, which is basically all there is to Battle Royale.


askye - Feb 24, 2012 4:24:16 pm PST #17978 of 28266
Thrive to spite them

Battle Royale seems like a thing that would be easy to overlook.

I never heard of it until these debate started.

Also the debate that came up about Firefly being a rip off of Cowboy Beebop. I don't know how familiar Joss is with anime but I'd never heard of the series until people started saying he'd ripped it off.


Amy - Feb 24, 2012 4:25:53 pm PST #17979 of 28266
Because books.

I'd never heard of Battle Royale, either.


Volans - Feb 24, 2012 4:36:38 pm PST #17980 of 28266
move out and draw fire

I knew Battle Royale, but I've never concerned myself with whether Collins did or not. I assume she's familiar with The Lottery and Lord of the Flies, but in any case, her story is her own. It shares some elements with others, but what story doesn't?

I'd watched Cowboy Bebop also, but didn't see a clear match with Firefly.


§ ita § - Feb 24, 2012 5:07:16 pm PST #17981 of 28266
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

People can't believe she'd never heard of Battle Royale.

Seriously? Do they have any perspective on how many people had heard of it in America before The Hunger Games took off? Answer, not tons, and it's not like there's any expectation for an American YA author to be up on Japanese fiction/manga. I can't work out if it's because people have such a low expectation of humanity that they just think that people are lying, and aren't looking at the plausibility of the statement, or that they want to laud their hipsterness or what...


Volans - Feb 24, 2012 5:14:57 pm PST #17982 of 28266
move out and draw fire

they want to laud their hipsterness

This one.


Sophia Brooks - Feb 24, 2012 5:15:51 pm PST #17983 of 28266
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I still don't know what Battle Royale is-- it makes me think of Pulp Fiction and the scene about the "royale with cheese".