You're nice, and you're funny and you don't smoke, and okay, werewolf, but that's not all the time. I mean, three days out of the month, I'm not much fun to be around, either.

Willow ,'Get It Done'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Consuela - Jan 25, 2012 8:44:17 am PST #17593 of 28332
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I do think he's got a strong streak of "West/British good, East/Asia BAD" in his writing and on my last reread I really was struck at how many times Aragorn's awesomeness was attributed to his awesomely pure Western blood.

Also Northern vs. Southern, as well. It's really hierarchical & authoritarian, with an uncomfortable emphasis on inherent characteristics and inherited authority. Gondorians are better than the Rohirrim because their ancestors made friends with the Elves and went to Numenor, that sort of thing.

I do think there's enough dodgy subtext (and text) in Tolkien that we don't really have to go looking for more...


DavidS - Jan 25, 2012 8:46:13 am PST #17594 of 28332
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I actually think Mark's take is pretty fair and not simply dogmatic:

It’s immensely problematic, sure, but that doesn’t mean I dislike this chapter, the Orcs, or the book. On the contrary, I acknowledge how fucked up and disappointing this is, and I’m also immensely entertained by the plot that Tolkien has written here. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with liking something that has its problems, as long as you’re willing to engage these things and make sure not to convince others who dislike it for this reason that they’re wrong. It is unfortunate that this characterization exists, but that doesn’t ruin it for me.


Tom Scola - Jan 25, 2012 9:16:07 am PST #17595 of 28332
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Ray Bradbury visits Disneyland in 1965: [link]


§ ita § - Jan 25, 2012 9:29:54 am PST #17596 of 28332
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I acknowledge how fucked up and disappointing this is

I guess I think it's weird that it's disappointing. Why is it disappointing, except in the way you want everything to be perfect every time? Tolkien didn't promise you anything different...

But that's at the core of what I don't get about Mark, I guess.


erikaj - Jan 25, 2012 9:38:06 am PST #17597 of 28332
Always Anti-fascist!

Yeah, he can only be who he is.(Not that we can't change...argh.) But he can only be blamed a little for what he wrote at a less-sensitive time.


Connie Neil - Jan 25, 2012 9:42:57 am PST #17598 of 28332
brillig

I guess I think it's weird that it's disappointing.

Wrod. "How dare you not be as enlightened and forward-thinking as a 21st-Century man should be, you born in the 19th century person, you."


erikaj - Jan 25, 2012 9:48:43 am PST #17599 of 28332
Always Anti-fascist!

Sometimes, when I was a kid, I'd get disappointed when an old children's book was sexist or something like that. Because I was eight, or whatever, approval-seeking, and not expecting it. I don't get lost in the story like I used to, but the upside is, that doesn't feel like a kick in the gut anymore.


Atropa - Jan 25, 2012 10:18:42 am PST #17600 of 28332
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Scola, thank you for posting that! I had never seen that essay of his.

I suppose Ray Bradbury would not want to have a religion started around him. But he is one of my patron saints. Him, and the Emperor Norton.


Toddson - Jan 25, 2012 10:32:55 am PST #17601 of 28332
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

You know, Ray Bradbury should visit Disneyland with Jilli.


Atropa - Jan 25, 2012 10:40:58 am PST #17602 of 28332
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

You know, Ray Bradbury should visit Disneyland with Jilli.

head explodes with glee

I still count myself incredibly lucky that I was able to meet him at DragonCon one year, get my childhood copy of Something Wicked This Way Comes signed, and get a photo of him holding Clovis.