I had a whole section about civic pride.

Mayor ,'Chosen'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Gris - Dec 22, 2011 11:21:50 am PST #17169 of 28287
Hey. New board.

Yes, Amy!

I just stopped reading Portnoy's Complaint because no matter how cleverly the words were strung together, and they really were, I just didn't care to read about the ridiculous sexual escapades of a completely unlikeable character any more. There wasn't anything to like beyond the cleverness, which only took me so far.


Ginger - Dec 22, 2011 11:27:10 am PST #17170 of 28287
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Or what Amy said.


Jesse - Dec 22, 2011 11:32:18 am PST #17171 of 28287
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I have less than no interest in reading self-consciously clever prose. Good writing in service of a story, sure, but I cannot work with authors who you can just feel their self-congratulations as they craft yet another... I can't even with this sentence, even.


Amy - Dec 22, 2011 11:35:33 am PST #17172 of 28287
Because books.

I also think there's no worse idea than trying to be the next literary darling. You have to write what you write to the best of your ability, and you have to remember to actually *tell* a story while you play with how best to tell it. Time tells who lasts and who doesn't, and it's not always as obvious; see Dickens, for instance.


Atropa - Dec 22, 2011 11:36:51 am PST #17173 of 28287
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I'm going to stand here, nod vigorously, and point at what Amy and Jesse said. The authors I love that could be considered clever stylists (Bradbury, Tanith Lee, Angela Carter), but they never let those clever, lush words get in the way of the story.

Hell, even Anne Rice, queen of bombast and purple prose, had a good story and characters in Interview With The Vampire and The Vampire Lestat. It was later on that she started valuing overwrought over story.


hippocampus - Dec 22, 2011 11:37:02 am PST #17174 of 28287
not your mom's socks.

What Amy said. And Ginger. And Gris. And Jesse. ... And Jilli.


Connie Neil - Dec 22, 2011 11:39:01 am PST #17175 of 28287
brillig

Style over content is a bad goal for any art, probably, but writing particularly.

wrod wrod wrod

I have less than no interest in reading self-consciously clever prose. Good writing in service of a story, sure,

With wrod sauce.


Fred Pete - Dec 22, 2011 11:40:35 am PST #17176 of 28287
Ann, that's a ferret.

Let me posit the lost Italian Renaissance painter Asimovetti. He was a contemporary of Da Vinci, Michelangelo and Titian. His compositions were static, his use of color derivative, and his humans were all flat. But he was the first person to paint gryphons with blue tinged wings and everybody after painted them that way. He was influential. But you don't put him in the same rank with Da Vinci, Michelangleo and Titian because he's not as good.

The analogy doesn't really work because the idea is more significant in SF than the gryphon on painting. It would be fairer to posit your Asimovetti as someone who, say, was a groundbreaker (or genius, if you prefer) in composition but derivative color and flat humans.

If you don't want to put him in the top tier, you'd have a case. But at the same time, a self-respecting museum wouldn't necessarily be ashamed to show his work.


Atropa - Dec 22, 2011 11:42:51 am PST #17177 of 28287
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Style over content is a bad goal for any art, probably, but writing particularly.

Also, this is my biggest fear as a writer.


Tom Scola - Dec 22, 2011 11:46:26 am PST #17178 of 28287
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

And a lot of names on your list are authors that came after Asimov. Of course they're going to try to improve on him and the genre, just like Asimov tried to lift the genre out of the pulp-fiction gutter that it lived in the 30s and 40s.