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Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Gris - Aug 11, 2011 1:29:16 pm PDT #15929 of 28293
Hey. New board.

I don't love LeGuin. I would rank McCaffrey and MZB above her too, though I also don't love McCaffrey. My favorite female fantasy/SF writer (and possibly favorite fantasy writer full stop, though there's competition) is Sharon Shinn. Octavia E. Butler would compete, but she's pretty much all SF.


DavidS - Aug 11, 2011 1:30:44 pm PDT #15930 of 28293
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I would rank McCaffrey and MZB above her too,

No fucking way! McCaffrey is a massive hack.


§ ita § - Aug 11, 2011 1:34:06 pm PDT #15931 of 28293
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

In my opinion MZB and and McCaffrey are talented hacks. I don't regard most of their work as quality, although much of it is entertaining. I think of Le Guin as thoughtful and wordsmith, and I'd apply neither of those words to Anne and Marion. Not that I'm a connoisseur, or anything.

Octavia Butler is also high on my thoughtful and wordsmithy list. She wrote a fair amount of fantasy--Kindred, the Patternist series (right?), Fledgling...


-t - Aug 11, 2011 1:35:55 pm PDT #15932 of 28293
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I liked MZB's Fantasy Magazine. I think I prefer her as an editor over as a writer.


Consuela - Aug 11, 2011 1:41:13 pm PDT #15933 of 28293
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

In my opinion MZB and and McCaffrey are talented hacks.

MZB and McCaffrey were good at pleasing readers with entertaining, wish-fulfillment-type of stories. Even MZB's overtly feminist work was very wish-fulfillment.

Which is not to say that The Dispossessed isn't wish-fulfillment, too, but it's a hell of a lot more thoughtful. And LeGuin's prose is much better. She's got more going on thematically than either MZB or McCaffrey, even in her earliest work.

Or, basically, what ita ! says.


Connie Neil - Aug 11, 2011 1:56:25 pm PDT #15934 of 28293
brillig

Patricia McKillip is probably my favorite fantasy female writer. The Forgotten Beasts of Eld rocks hard.


DavidS - Aug 11, 2011 1:59:43 pm PDT #15935 of 28293
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

The Forgotten Beasts of Eld rocks hard.

It really does. After reading The Last Unicorn I was desperately searching for something else that would scratch that itch, and that's the only book that came close. Though, of course, it has its own distinct flavor and should not simply be compared to Beagle's masterpiece.


Ginger - Aug 11, 2011 2:01:16 pm PDT #15936 of 28293
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

For MZB, I only like the Darkover novels. Some of her SF books are on my worst books ever list. McCaffrey is just not a very good writer, although she had a compelling premise in the Pern novels.

Please don't dismiss all of David's list. Fafryd and the Grey Mouser and The Dying Earth are not to be missed.

My two favorite living authors are Bujold and Connie Willis.

In some ways, LeGuin can be an awkward writer and she sometimes whacks the reader on the head with the message, but what she accomplished in The Lathe of Heaven and The Left Hand of Darkness is amazing. "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" says brilliantly what I believe most strongly about society.


Typo Boy - Aug 11, 2011 2:04:00 pm PDT #15937 of 28293
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Actually I don't think The Dispossed IS wish fulfillment.

I don't know if you notice, but the anarchist utopia is actually pretty repressive. The hero is rebelling against anarchist authoritarianism as much as he opposes capitalism and soviet style socialism. Le Guin was lovingly exploring ideas. And I think the results of her exploration was "I love these ideas, but I don't really think they will work." So very much the opposite of wish fulfillment.

I agree with McAffery as a hack. But I always found Carrol complete uninteresting. Also the Fafherd and Grey Mouser series - always thought Leiber came up with these wonderful exotic setting and two colorful characters and never really figured out what to do with them. Half the time I'd read a Fafherd and Grey Mouser story and think, "Ok this is really going to connect with me any minute now" only it never did.

Tanith Lee - the Flat Earth series, especially the early ones. She fell in love with Azhrarn because I guess she really goes for beautiful cruel ruthless bastards, at least in fiction. "Night's Master', the first in the series, shows how really good a book can be when the author is in love with her own creation. In some of the later books, I think that love led Lee to make choices that were not ideal for the story, though I think they all are worth reading. And in all fairness some of the things I would have thought she could never work, she pulled off beautifully.


zuisa - Aug 11, 2011 2:06:21 pm PDT #15938 of 28293
call me jacki; zuisa is an internet nick from ancient times =)

I feel like I've read "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas". The title sounds incredibly familiar.

I have heard good things about "The Left Hand of Darkness", so I might give that one a try someday.